NEED dual batteries for fridge?

cstamm81

Adventurer
mep1811 that auto cut off switch is cool, seems like a smart addition to me. I wouldn't mind looking into a solar panel to do some trickle charging. I need to look into the beggest and best single battery I can run in my 80 series.
ScangaugeII those are cool, I have ssen them before. I believe they are only usable with OBDII though correct? That leaves my 94 out.
 

FlyingWen

Explorer
We ran a MT45 on one battery for about 2 years. WE would turn the fridge up at night and run the vehicle a for about 5 minutes below bed and in the am just to make sure the battery has sufficient power. We now run dual Odyssey 1200's. They both fit in the stock location of our Taco b/c they are so small

Dual batteries are not necessary, but having a jumper like everyone suggested is a good call.
 

spressomon

Expedition Leader
I vacillated on this very subject a number of years ago. What swayed me to install the second battery, isolator and circuit was, well, insurance. Considering the remoteness of many places I travel I found it a worthy and justifiable cost to add the second battery system. Could I have gotten by without it? Maybe maybe not.

Its cheap (relative) insurance if your travels take you beyond the range of AAA or buddies you can mooch a jump off of just in case!

Peace of mind is worth something!

Dan
 

TheRoadie

Explorer
adventurebuddies said:
Scangauge II will read voltage in real time
I've got one, and it wakes up when the engine's running and tells me the voltage. Is there a trick to get it to read voltage when the engine's off?

I throw one of these (from Camping World and many other vendors) in an accessory socket when I'm curious and don't want to drag out a real DVM:

digitalvoltmeter.jpg
 

xcmountain80

Expedition Leader
Well the GPS is out for monitering the volts. I left it on and cam out after about 2 hours and it read 7.9V I was like Double Ve-Te-Fe. I reached in and cranked the truck and it jumped to 11.9V. SO that idea is out, when I finally install my national luna system I might be able to better monitor the batteries.

Aaron
 

Corey

OverCamping Specialist
Could this situation with the Red Tops running down after a few days with the fridge running be due to them?
I know when I did my dual battery installation last year I stayed away from the Red Top after reading negativity on them on many forums.
They say they are not building them like they use too, and quite often die within a year.

I know the stock Panasonic battery I have gets high fives from many I have read about.
This is one reason I went with the yellow Top on my dual setup.
 

ntsqd

Heretic Car Camper
Desertdude said:
Ditto on the above two posts - we run at 1.5 mostly and down to 1 at night, rarely at 2 - transit bag on and the fridge inside the truck.
If I ran my fridge that low I may as well just bring a cooler sans ice. I have to run at 3.5+ to keep anything frozen and 2-3 to keep meat cold. I've long suspected that this fridge has a problem. Good thing it only cost me storing a VW Bug for a year.
 

xcmountain80

Expedition Leader
xcmountain80 said:
Well the GPS is out for monitering the volts. I left it on and cam out after about 2 hours and it read 7.9V I was like Double Ve-Te-Fe. I reached in and cranked the truck and it jumped to 11.9V. SO that idea is out, when I finally install my national luna system I might be able to better monitor the batteries.

Aaron


Corey thats true the RT's are crap, I have been buying them since they came out but they are covered under a prorated warranty so I keep getting them. And that is quite possible and one day will be replaced with 2 deka batteries. I did find the yellows to be no better as I have actually killed 3 of them in my lifetime. With the upward cost trend from Optima it makes the Deka and other high end batteries not so wince inducing at least that what I tell my wife.

Aaorn
 

Desertdude

Expedition Leader
ntsqd said:
If I ran my fridge that low I may as well just bring a cooler sans ice. I have to run at 3.5+ to keep anything frozen and 2-3 to keep meat cold. I've long suspected that this fridge has a problem. Good thing it only cost me storing a VW Bug for a year.

Note: All three of the Engels I use all work a 1.5 and 1 - anything higher and it freezes no matter what the outside temp is ( 80-110) southwest location
 

ntsqd

Heretic Car Camper
Desertdude said:
Note: All three of the Engels I use all work a 1.5 and 1 - anything higher and it freezes no matter what the outside temp is ( 80-110) southwest location
Time to call ARB then. Thanks all for confirming my suspicions.

Given that my fridge is a power hog, I sure was bummed when I had to ask someone who was leaving Mahogany Flat Campground for a jump start. That alone is argument enough for me to have 2 batteries.
 

BajaTaco

Swashbuckler
Interesting topic. I wrote an article on this very subject for the next issue of Overland Journal. The prospect of using a fridge with only a single battery is highly subjective, so in order to help define your own decision you should examine as much hard data as you can. Start with the fridge and the environment it will be used in. Find out what kind of amp draw your fridge will use in best and worst-case scenarios. For example, when I tested fridges for the Summer 07 issue, the ARB 45 averaged cycling amp-draws as low as 1.75AH when the interior and contents were already cooled down to between 28-32F, and as much as 2.6AH when outside ambient-temp items were added to the chest and then had to be brought down to the lower temps. This was at about 80F outside ambient temps. So if you are in a hot area, or worse, a hot and humid area, then the fridge will work more. So for a worst-case on the ARB 45, I'd figure about 2.75 to 3 AH on average. For best-case, about 1.75AH. I turn a fridge off at night when I go to bed to conserve power and unless it's very hot overnight, the rise in temperature in the chest isn't enough to bother the contents. So for this example:

2.75AH x 17 hours (in a 24-hr period) = 46.75AH

That's just for the fridge. If you use other accessories, you'll need to add those too.

For most conventional deep-cycle batteries (including AGMs like Optima, Odyssey, Orbital, etc) discharging beyond 50% depth of discharge will shorten the life of the battery. So lets say you have a 55AH battery. If you only allow it to go to a 50% depth of discharge, that would be roughly 12.1V - 12.2V which would would occur (very roughly) at around 28AH of use. In this case, you are exceeding the optimum use of the battery to run the fridge for a 24-hr period. Best case scenario with only 1.75AH average, and you are using about 30AH, still a little over the optimum depth of discharge, but not too bad.

I think we all probably abuse the DOD rule, which is fine if we realize that we're ultimately shortening the life of the battery, sometimes by as much as half. Another thing to keep in mind is that the typical AH ratings that we see on the battery label are at the "20-hour rate" which means the battery will provide that many amp-hours for 20 hours when the battery goes flat (10.2V). So for a 55AH battery at the 20-hour rate, that's an average of 2.75AH continuous use (55 divided by 20 = 2.75). If your loads go higher than that, the internal resistance increases, and the higher the losses become (known as the Peukert Effect). So bottom line: If you use, let's say 6AH instead of 2.75AH, then you will get less than the 55AH rating for that battery.

Do your best to calculate your loads, see what your battery is rated for, and do the math to see how long you can run your fridge on your starting battery. Keep in mind that typical values for battery ratings are when they are brand new, and under optimal conditions (temperatures, etc). Adjust accordingly and use a healthy dose of fudge-factor.
 

BajaTaco

Swashbuckler
I should also mention that idling the engine with the RPMs raised in an effort to recharge a battery that is substantially discharged is poor practice. (And yes, I've been guilty of doing it myself.) It's a huge waste of fuel and a cause for unnecessary pollution, as it simply takes too long to make much difference to a discharged deep cycle battery. Think about it: you're probably using a 180-300 (peak) horsepower combustion engine to generate a relatively small amount of charging amperage, relying on something that's meant to recharge a starting battery while driving. That's a LOT of wasted energy. You're much better off using an extra battery, solar or wind power, or an efficient (and quiet) generator made for such use.

:sunny:
 

cstamm81

Adventurer
I'm thinking this Deka battery, in a group 31 should stand a chance http://www.eastpenn-deka.com/assets/base/1143.pdf
That is if I can fit it in the stock spot for an 80 series. I rarely park for more than 24 hours without moving, and would monitor the battery to be sure not to discharge too far. A 2nd battery would be ideal, but it's more $$$, more wiring (too many accesories and wiring already) and more weight in my heavy 80. I'm trying to limit the wants from the real necessities, and get away from the bloated, every single accessory installed imaginable build. A jumper pack should serve me well if I can manage to drain my starting battery down low enough that it won't crank.
 

xcmountain80

Expedition Leader
BajaTaco said:
I should also mention that idling the engine with the RPMs raised in an effort to recharge a battery that is substantially discharged is poor practice. (And yes, I've been guilty of doing it myself.) It's a huge waste of fuel and a cause for unnecessary pollution, as it simply takes too long to make much difference to a discharged deep cycle battery. Think about it: you're probably using a 180-300 (peak) horsepower combustion engine to generate a relatively small amount of charging amperage, relying on something that's meant to recharge a starting battery while driving. That's a LOT of wasted energy. You're much better off using an extra battery, solar or wind power, or an efficient (and quiet) generator made for such use.

:sunny:


Oh Baja your always ahead of me. I have a hookup with a coast guard buddy and some solar panels pulled off channel markers. He gave me the numbers and I ran them against what I had and it should support the battery for the Engel for a 24 hour period. SHOULD is loosely used and for free I'll try it.

Aaron
 

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