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T-Willy
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I expect that the hybrid will have a much smaller fuel tank than non-hybrid platforms. It's impossible to know the range without knowing the tank size. But, given all of the battery weight encroaching on payload, I'd it expect it to be quite small. I'd be surprised if affords more than 600 miles of range (absent auxiliary fuel). Still, its efficiency is a game changer given the range that even one auxiliary fuel can would yield.
I mean the full size Range Rover still has a 24 gallon tank with the p400e without affecting payload. I would imagine the Defender will be the same way.
The bumper makes the front end look a lot tougher.
2020 Range Rover
2.0L P400e PHEV (398 HP)
The PHEV EV only range was roughly ................ 16 miles
2.0L P400e PHEV (398 HP)
- Models: 2020 Range Rover HSE
- Maximum towing capacity – 5,511 pounds
- Maximum vehicle and trailer combination (GTW) – 12,588 pounds
- Models: 2020 Range Rover P525 HSE, Range Rover Autobiography
- Maximum towing capacity – 7,716 pounds
- Maximum vehicle and trailer combination (GTW) – 14,682 pounds
The PHEV EV only range was roughly ................ 16 miles
This is totally wrong towing capacity is lowered by a decrease in available tongue weight load. So a reduction in 2000 lbs towing relates to a 200 lb reduction in load capacity for the Defender. So batteries add roughly 200 lbs not 2000.
This is correct curb weights are within 200lbs of each other. The batteries are placed under the load rear space floor.
Cut and pasted from JLR web site. Batteries are heavy and reduce both towing capacity and GTW (gross trailer + vehicle / gross train weight)
And just to confuse EVERYONE .......... the following is different from JLR
2020 Range Rover P400e Plug-in Hybrid LWB (aut. 8) (Vogue, Autobiography) (model for Europe North America ) car specifications & performance data review
[TD]Weights[/TD]
Range Rover P565 5.0 V8 Supercharged SVAutobiography Dynamic LWB (aut. 8) (2020) full detailed specifications listing and photo gallery
[TD]Weights[/TD]
So yes batteries are not 2000 lbs but the overall addition of EV, to include batteries, motors, control systems and etc in addition to the existing ICE do reduce payload and GTW
For basically 16 miles of pure EV range.
2020 Range Rover P400e Plug-in Hybrid LWB (aut. 8) (Vogue, Autobiography) (model for Europe North America ) car specifications & performance data review
[TD]Weights[/TD]
| Curb weight (without a driver): | 2603 kg / 5739 lbs |
| Weight distribution f/r (%): | |
| Dry weight: | |
| Shipping weight: | |
| Curb weight estimated: | |
| Gross vehicle weight rating GVWR: | 3210 kg / 7077 lbs |
| Payload: | 607 kg / 1338 lbs |
| Payload estimated: | |
| Towing weight unbraked: | 750 kg / 1653 lbs |
| Towing weight braked: | 2500 kg / 5512 lbs |
Range Rover P565 5.0 V8 Supercharged SVAutobiography Dynamic LWB (aut. 8) (2020) full detailed specifications listing and photo gallery
[TD]Weights[/TD]
| Curb weight (without a driver): | 2673 kg / 5893 lbs |
| Weight distribution f/r (%): | |
| Dry weight: | |
| Shipping weight: | |
| Curb weight estimated: | |
| Gross vehicle weight rating GVWR: | 3200 kg / 7055 lbs |
| Payload: | 527 kg / 1162 lbs |
| Payload estimated: | |
| Towing weight: | |
| unbraked: | 750 kg / 1653 lbs |
| braked: | 3000 kg / 6614 lbs |
So yes batteries are not 2000 lbs but the overall addition of EV, to include batteries, motors, control systems and etc in addition to the existing ICE do reduce payload and GTW
For basically 16 miles of pure EV range.
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catmann
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On the flip side, JLR is still looking to push out some non-electric variants.
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Defender P400e at 2020 Land-Rover Defender 90 (L663) all versions specifications and performance data
Payload is not included but I'm expecting it would be comparable to 1300 lb
Detailed specs review of 2020 Land-Rover Defender 110 P400e PHEV offered since September 2020 for Europe
Specs datasheet with technical data and performance data plus an analysis of the direct market competition of Land-Rover Defender 110 P400e PHEV in 2020 the model with 5-door off-road wagon body and Line-4 1997 cm3 / 121.9 cui, 297 kW / 404 PS / 398 hp (ECE) of power, 640 Nm / 472 lb-ft of...
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Payload is not included but I'm expecting it would be comparable to 1300 lb
T-Willy
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The all-electric range is, in my opinion, irrelevant. What matters, and what's remarkable, is 80+ MPGe -- that's game-changing efficiency for range and remote touring.
Edit: CarsonG's post answers this:
I will be interested to see payload of hybrid Defender.
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I'm thinking your going to be disappointed in the actual real-world performance for range and remote touring. From the What is WLTP article:
The new WLTP laboratory test cycle is longer than the NEDC cycle in both time and distance - cars are now driven for 30 minutes and around 14 miles, compared to 20 minutes and less than seven miles. There are three classes of test cycles which are based on the vehicle’s power-to-weight ratio, and most cars are in the top Class 3.
The test now includes four driving speeds: low, medium, high and extra-high. These represent city, suburban, main road and motorway driving, and cars are tested at up to 35mph, 47mph, 60mph and 81mph respectively. These figures are then averaged out to give a combined figure, which you should be able to get close to in mixed driving.......The lab test still has no requirement to incorporate hills or gradients ........
30 minutes and around 14 miles is an average of 7 mph of progress even though the average "speed" is 33 mph for the combined city, suburban, main road and motorway drive. I might be able to drive to the other side of town but forget remote touring or any drive outside of the urban area. I get the that WLTP might be informative for highly urban use cases but forget any use case that involves range or remote. Forget anything that also requires a payload or terrain of hills or mountains. We saw that with the test of a Tesla towing just a 750 lob trailer where the range dropped in half.
I get we are in a transition phase like the 70's and technology is early and immature. Its going to take another decade or two of development to get to better solutions.
WLTP ratings remind me of "music power" ruse for the audio industry where true performance is measured in rms.
T-Willy
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I'm sorry, I do not understand what you're trying to say. Are you saying that real world MPGe will be far less than the 83MPGe advertised?