EricTyrrell
Expo God
You think that's rock crawling? It's an uneven dirt road. Very common. Not even close to extreme.
New Defender Rage/Hate Thread
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You think that's rock crawling? It's an uneven dirt road. Very common. Not even close to extreme.
EricTyrrell
Expo God
There's nothing wrong with fwd or unibody construction in that application. It's a tool in that it does a few things very well, inexpensively, and without luxury **************** dragging it down.
Well, I didn't watch more than a few seconds of each video. But the titles of said videos should be hint.
But, yes, that's rock crawling. They are literally going up and down on rocks at low speeds with one wheel after another in the air. You know: Crawling. On rocks.
EricTyrrell
Expo God
It's dirt with a few rocks sticking out. Now I'm beginning to understand why you think new cars are so amazing "off-road".
Off-road! Thank goodness for traction control.
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So wait? It can't be a tool if it's luxury at the same time?
Are those not tools?
Oh, you mean cheap tools. In that case, yes, your cheap UTVs certainly qualify.
But do you really want to talk about "cheap" and saying the new one should be like the old one? You know that the old was very expensive to manufacture and it was reflected by it's purchase price, right?
If you want cheap and cheerful, there are plenty of those things around.
That's not what I saw. You truly are dishonest:It's dirt with a few rocks sticking out. Now I'm beginning to understand why you think new cars are so amazing "off-road".
Off-road! Thank goodness for traction control.
Yeah, those are flat dirt roads. Seriously, how can you post something like that and not expect to get busted on your lies?
No a smartphone doesn't cease to operate. SOTA itself is not a show stopper. My point is the complexity of a vehicle and reliance on software will become an impediment to field repair. I look forward to the field repair guidelines for the MHEV drivetrain that distributes critical functionality across multiple ECU's and axles (front and rear). The goal of SOTA is to prevent you from dealer visits, lowering total warranty cost. It is also intended to address software issues and bug fixes.
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Blaise
Well-known member
"I don't like the new Defender"
Ok, no problem, I do though
"WELL I REALLY DON'T LIKE IT"
Ok...
"INDEPENDENT SUSPENSION IS HORRIBLE"
Seems to work really well for me
"NOPE ITS LUXURY ****************"
Seems to work really well for me
"I HATE THE DEFENDER"
OK so don't buy one?
"IM NOT GOING TO ITS HORRIBLE"
OK
"YOU CANT EVEN DRIVE THEM ANYWHERE BUT A HIGHWAY"
I seem to be able to get anywhere just fine and in comfort in my ~15 year old one
"NOPE, ITS LUXURY ****************"
It's not even out yet...
"WELL I REALLY DON'T LIKE IT"
lol
Ok, no problem, I do though
"WELL I REALLY DON'T LIKE IT"
Ok...
"INDEPENDENT SUSPENSION IS HORRIBLE"
Seems to work really well for me
"NOPE ITS LUXURY ****************"
Seems to work really well for me
"I HATE THE DEFENDER"
OK so don't buy one?
"IM NOT GOING TO ITS HORRIBLE"
OK
"YOU CANT EVEN DRIVE THEM ANYWHERE BUT A HIGHWAY"
I seem to be able to get anywhere just fine and in comfort in my ~15 year old one
"NOPE, ITS LUXURY ****************"
It's not even out yet...
"WELL I REALLY DON'T LIKE IT"
lol
Blaise
Well-known member
You are correct, it's basically a remote check-engine-light feature. However, I would disagree to say that the added capability of SOTA would degrade your in-field repair of a vehicle.
Although I sort of get that fear, the fact is that that was the same fear that showed its head when electronic fuel injection came about. Or turbos. Or those pesky independent suspension parts when they came into normal cars about, what, fifty years ago?
I stand corrected - I thought I'd might be out a couple of decades (more than that, it turns out):
From here:
Car suspension - Wikipedia
EricTyrrell
Expo God
I didn't say the pic was from the video. I was just busting your balls. A jab at your sense of what constitutes "off-road".
I said the first video was dirt with a few rocks. The second video was in response to your needing technology comment.
In an urban environment SOTA should improve field repairability. But like all 'features' that lower manufacturer cost they will become over-reliant on software patches that can't be completed in a rural/no-service environment.
So you posted something that wasn't true to "jab" at my senses of what constitutes off road. You realise that that is lying, right?
And, no, I'm not the one who thinks that the only "off road" there is is "rock crawling". Although rock crawling is a type of off road, not all types of off road are rock crawling.
It doesn't matter if the length of road only have a few areas with rock crawling. When you're there and crawling the rocks, you're friggng rockcrawling.
When I went to rock climb or do some bouldering, sometimes by bike (as in bicycle), that doesn't mean the bouldering could be done on a bicycle. Rock climbing is rock climbing and rock crawling is rock crawling, regardless of how you get to the rock crawling place.
EricTyrrell
Expo God
That wasn't even close to rock crawling. It was dirt. Dirt normally has some rocks in it. They weren't even big enough to crawl over. This is rock crawling:
That wasn't even close to rock crawling. It was dirt. Dirt normally has some rocks in it. They weren't even big enough to crawl over. This is rock crawling:
Still trying to say that those two vids weren't of rock crawling. So you even lied when you said it was just poking a bit of fun. Well, you really are a dishonest fellow. I don't think I've ever encountered someone go back and forth so fast. Maybe because I caught you on the first lie, and you then realised you were caught.
This is rock crawling too:
