New product from Proud Rhino! The SYA Off Road Extension Kit

Dmarchand

Adventurer
You are not wrong. It goes on the top of the control arm, on the sway bar bolt.

Quick question. Is anyone still able to fool the EAS into lowering and staying in the parking/curb setting? I'm unable to get it to stay there and the EAS always shifts to extended mode when it lowers.
 

perkj

Explorer
So if I understand correctly the stud snapped simply by removing the nut?? Makes me wonder how well these studs are going to hold up on trails with some of the more severe forces they'll see..
 

xray132

New member
This is all interesting let's try to get it settled

Funny....I had my strap there I was told it was wrong by Lucky 8
This is what they wanted. He sent my pic back with the bolt circled in red and told me to turn the bolt around.
 

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zelatore

Explorer
You are not wrong. It goes on the top of the control arm, on the sway bar bolt.

That would be on the front; the question is about the rear. The sway bar is attached to the lower control arm in the rear and you can't reach it with the limit straps. You can however reach the swaybar link, so in effect you are attaching to the lower control arm with my mounting, just through the link. Is the link strong enough to act as a limit strap? Fair question. I've broken a front link before but not a rear.

Dose this increase the ride height, if any at all?

No, the spacers have no effect on ride height. That is still controlled entirely by the wheel sensors and the computers. It does change where the strut rides in it's stroke, and if you are running a lift (via GAP IId, LLams, lift rods, etc) it will put you closer to the original travel. Arguably this would have the benifit of running the air bag pressures at closer to stock and increasing their longevity but I'm not sure about that. I do know it's primary goal is to prevent the tires from wedging hopelessly into the wheel wells when running 32"+ and that it does.

So if I understand correctly the stud snapped simply by removing the nut?? Makes me wonder how well these studs are going to hold up on trails with some of the more severe forces they'll see..

Yes, though I admit I put a lot of torque on it. I had to get it off anyway so I had nothing to loose at that point. It seemed to gall, similar to what I've seen happen with stainless if you don't use anti-seize. The style lock nut provided is a 'prevailing torque' nut. It gains it's locking force by having the last couple threads distorted so that they cut into the bolt as it's installed. They are designed to be single-use parts and not to be taken apart. While they have very good locking characteristics, I think this is the wrong application for them and they are one thing I would recommend Proud Rhino change. A standard nylock type nut would be better here I believe. Or you could just use normal nuts and some red lock-tight if you wanted to make an easy change with stuff you probably already have around the garage. They are M10x1.25 I believe.

Funny....I had my strap there I was told it was wrong by Lucky 8
This is what they wanted. He sent my pic back with the bolt circled in red and told me to turn the bolt around.

I tried this myself but didn't like it. I run a 3/4" wheel spacer (at least for now...may go away soon) and even with that spacer there is significant contact between the strap and wheel/tire when at full extension. It may not rub when the suspension is compressed, but a metal wheel rotating against a fabric strap....I don't like that at all.

Here are some pics I took where I test-fit the strap to the recommended nut







A few things to keep in mind here- 1st, this is at full droop so it is possible it wouldn't rub under normal compression. 2nd, I'm running 3/4" spacers so the problem would be even worse without them. 3rd, I have the tab clocked around to about 10:00 for increased clearance but normal loading will try to pull it back to near 12:00 and make contact worse yet.

I think the location I have chosen is better, though as I mentioned above it does put added stress on the swaybar end link. I don't think it's enough to break a link, but time will tell. The over-all travel limits look to be about the same or maybe slightly less (safer) in my location.

I'd love to hear from somebody at Proud Rhino or perhaps Lucky8 on their opinions. Did they try my location (sway bar link) and have problems? How are they avoiding excess rubbing of the strap in the 'recommend' location?

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I see xray123 used the rear-most spacer stud where i was on the front stud. That may gain a bit of clearance compared to what I tried, but would not be a huge improvement.
 
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zelatore

Explorer
One side-benefit of the kit I noticed.

With my Johnson Rods installed, if I had a failure that put me on the bump stops it would send the wheel sensors out of range. Even if I cleared the fault that caused the suspension to lower, I would now have an instantly recurring 'wheel out of range' error that would just cause it to default back to the bump stops. It was right on the edge and didn't always trigger the out of range error but did more than not. The work around was to use the GAP IId tool to manually inflate the suspension an inch or so then clear the codes and let the computer take over again. When I dropped the truck back on the ground after installing the spacers it was of course totally on the bump stops since I had no air in the system at all. I was able to simply start the engine and let the compressor bring it back up to the selected height without any errors since it now no longer drives the sensors out of range.
 

no-pistons

Adventurer
Limit straps need need to be mounted as vertically as possible. By mounting the buckle completely horizontal you are asking for trouble. Doesn't seem like a complete or well thought out kit to me...


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perkj

Explorer
I'd love to hear from somebody at Proud Rhino or perhaps Lucky8 on their opinions. Did they try my location (sway bar link) and have problems? How are they avoiding excess rubbing of the strap in the 'recommend' location?

I completely agree with this statement. Proud Rhino or Lucky8 should be detailing exactly how these straps should be installed.
 

racehorse

Adventurer
^Zelatore is right on target - I had an airbag failure on a LR rally recently, dropped the rig to the bumpstops. I was able to use an IID tool to raise the rig up once then I pulled fuses just to see if it would hold the air but it would not. The rig went back to the bump stops but because I have rods the sensors were completely out of range and it took jacking up the rig slowly to try and get the sensors to get back in line.

I'm sure the critiques of the spacers have some merit but I'll admit that after having talked to a land rover independent shop foreman in AZ, who said the Lucky 8 product is the best thing to come along since sliced bread for the LR3 because it does not trick the computer, I'm eager to eventually install them.
 

zelatore

Explorer
Limit straps need need to be mounted as vertically as possible. By mounting the buckle completely horizontal you are asking for trouble. Doesn't seem like a complete or well thought out kit to me...


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I agree, the brackets being at 90* is asking for them to bend.

However....

There aren't many simple bolt on ways of getting the straps into a good position. There shouldn't be a huge amount of force here but I won't be surprised if the brackets bend over time. I can understand why they did it the way they did, but that's not to say it couldn't be done better if you were willing to spend a little more money or put in more effort.

I would be tempted to make up my own limit straps at some point by welding tabs to the control arms and using steel cable which would be much easier to route than the wide webbing used here. Of course the cable would be harsher than webbing and welding would kill product sales as most people are looking for a bolt on solution.

Of course, I'm still waiting for somebody to do the leg work of tracking down an alternative CV with higher operating angles so we can have more travel, but I'm not holding my breath.

All in all there are some simple improvements Lucky8 could make (instructions on strap mounting, nylocks nuts) but I don't have any big complaints.
 

xray132

New member
My rear straps are back in the position I originally had them in. This is the same position as zelatore placed his. All I can say is the picture I shared with you is the location which is most obvious and the way I was told they should go from Lucky 8. It does not work. Not only the clearance issue zelatore pictured but the most obvious was the test drive. The other day I took a test drive with the straps in that position. If you place a twist in the limiter strap, the strap does not bend of flex hence your strut does not work and you have a horrific ride. Straps are back to where they were. I will make a weld on adjustable mounts in the future. Or you can get a set of the straps for $28 from a sandrail parts supplier if they show any wear issues mentioned.
 

zelatore

Explorer
Following up on this.

I haven't put any off-road miles on the rig since installation and only a few street miles since I've been doing other stuff lately. Today I noticed a new issue that may or may not be related to the installation.

I lowered the truck to access to make it a tad easier to load my camping gear in for this weekend's trip. When I did, it bounced back to 'extended' height and said to reset height after clearing obstruction. Eh? Apparently it thinks it's bottoming out on something. I crawled under it and had a look around but can't see anything making contact. My gut feeling is it's the rear but I can't actually confirm that. For better visibility I pulled the rear wheels off and placed it on jack stands under the outer ends of the control arms to simulate sitting on the tires and raised/lowered it and got the same thing. Again, I can't see it hitting anything that would cause it to think there's an obstruction under it. I used the GAP tool to deflate the bags and it drops down all the way freely until it hits the bumpstops as you would expect, so it doesn't seem like there's anything making contact to cause this.

Thoughts? Anybody else have this issue? Is this a completely unrelated thing - is the LR3 mad at me because I've been talking about getting another Rover? Don't worry baby, I'll still love you too!
 

Derel1cte

Adventurer
Following up on this.

I haven't put any off-road miles on the rig since installation and only a few street miles since I've been doing other stuff lately. Today I noticed a new issue that may or may not be related to the installation.

I lowered the truck to access to make it a tad easier to load my camping gear in for this weekend's trip. When I did, it bounced back to 'extended' height and said to reset height after clearing obstruction. Eh? Apparently it thinks it's bottoming out on something. I crawled under it and had a look around but can't see anything making contact. My gut feeling is it's the rear but I can't actually confirm that. For better visibility I pulled the rear wheels off and placed it on jack stands under the outer ends of the control arms to simulate sitting on the tires and raised/lowered it and got the same thing. Again, I can't see it hitting anything that would cause it to think there's an obstruction under it. I used the GAP tool to deflate the bags and it drops down all the way freely until it hits the bumpstops as you would expect, so it doesn't seem like there's anything making contact to cause this.

Thoughts? Anybody else have this issue? Is this a completely unrelated thing - is the LR3 mad at me because I've been talking about getting another Rover? Don't worry baby, I'll still love you too!

Do you have the Rods installed when you were testing this? I would expect if you have the air strut spacer kit installed without the rods and then try to go into access mode, it will "run out" of bag to deflate and make the truck think it's high centered.
 

JAK

JAK:JeremySnow
When I changed the internal bump stops to accomplish the same thing as this Proud Rhino kit I had to carefully set the offsets in the computer to not bottom out entirely when put into access height. If it did bottom out the system would go into extended mode. I cannot drive in access height without this happening.

I have a theory on what is happening here though. The Proud Rhino kit moves the strut upper pivot point down several inches. This changes the interface geometry between the strut and the a-arms. I think this putting more prying into the upper mount which is just rubber. It binds more and the system may be sensing this as an obstruction.
 

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