New shoes for a fat pig (DRW to SRW)
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Ozrockrat
Expedition Leader
Bugger!!!!!!!!
Yeah I keep going back to sticking with what I have. The main problems are the turning circle and lack of upward travel. If I could get some reasonable travel for washboard roads I could live with the turning circle issue (who cares about 10 point turns when you have power steering). The serviceability of these axle/hubs is appealing and I will definitely know how they go together after this exercise.
Ozrockrat
Expedition Leader
Progress finally
OK since Chris sourced me some Dynatrac Pro 60 hubs I have managed to get one wheel fitted before the sun got to me. No risk of being a shade tree mechanic in Phoenix. Maybe shade bush.
New hubs in the sun and studs kept in the freezer overnight (let the laws of physics work for me a bit), all the bits together after a couple of hours chasing NAPA stores and warehouse.
Make some use of the POS tire that blew on me the other week and started all this drama. Only bit of shade outside where I would not be bashing brake dust everywhere.
Used the old rim and tire as a base to bash the studs through the rotor and hub. Bit the bullet and bought new rotor as I couldn't be bothered chasing around to drill out the lug holes on the DRW ones. Also if I am lucky I may be able to sell the DRW hubs to someone looking to run Humvee beadlocks on their Chevy/dodge.
I have gone from this DRW setup to this SRW setup.
And the result is this. Obviously I will need to trim the fender but not by as much as I expected. Luckily the 265/70/19.5 are not that wide compared to the height.
I will list the gotchas at the end of the project but as a quick reminder. Dynatrac hubs are a thicker flange than the OEM ones. The Dorman 610 - 283 that is standard for Chevy/Dodge is about 1/2 too short for my liking. The should should be about 1" and the stud length should be 3". Currently with the alloys fitted they will have about a 1:1 ratio for the length of available thread to the dia of the stud. The extra 1/2" would make it better in my mind. But after beating 16 new studs into the hubs there is no way I am taking them out in the near future. I will be checking the torque regularly over the next few hundred miles until it all settles in.
Also the dynatrac hubs come fitted with the bearing outer race. Saves a few dollars and makes installing them easier.
OK since Chris sourced me some Dynatrac Pro 60 hubs I have managed to get one wheel fitted before the sun got to me. No risk of being a shade tree mechanic in Phoenix. Maybe shade bush.
New hubs in the sun and studs kept in the freezer overnight (let the laws of physics work for me a bit), all the bits together after a couple of hours chasing NAPA stores and warehouse.
Make some use of the POS tire that blew on me the other week and started all this drama. Only bit of shade outside where I would not be bashing brake dust everywhere.
Used the old rim and tire as a base to bash the studs through the rotor and hub. Bit the bullet and bought new rotor as I couldn't be bothered chasing around to drill out the lug holes on the DRW ones. Also if I am lucky I may be able to sell the DRW hubs to someone looking to run Humvee beadlocks on their Chevy/dodge.
I have gone from this DRW setup to this SRW setup.
And the result is this. Obviously I will need to trim the fender but not by as much as I expected. Luckily the 265/70/19.5 are not that wide compared to the height.
I will list the gotchas at the end of the project but as a quick reminder. Dynatrac hubs are a thicker flange than the OEM ones. The Dorman 610 - 283 that is standard for Chevy/Dodge is about 1/2 too short for my liking. The should should be about 1" and the stud length should be 3". Currently with the alloys fitted they will have about a 1:1 ratio for the length of available thread to the dia of the stud. The extra 1/2" would make it better in my mind. But after beating 16 new studs into the hubs there is no way I am taking them out in the near future. I will be checking the torque regularly over the next few hundred miles until it all settles in.
Also the dynatrac hubs come fitted with the bearing outer race. Saves a few dollars and makes installing them easier.
Ozrockrat
Expedition Leader
"Pro job" that is taking literary license, unless you are referring to someone who stuffed it up enough times to work out what is right now.:Wow1:
OK just another couple of photos for the records. Here is the difference between SRW and DRW front hubs (Chevy or Dodge). Also on the cab chassis E series I now have a 170mm difference back to front for the wheel track width. The back is basically 6 1/2 inches wider than the front. I am considering putting a set of 1 1/2" to 1 3/4" spacers on the front to even the track width a bit but not until I can see what room I have to play with after cutting the guards.
Lack of cornering clearance!!!
But the 17" dodge wheels I had sitting around will at least keep it mobile until I do the Texas Chainsaw remake on the guards.
Then came the interruption- The Duval's on their R80 G/S (2nd round the world trip) here for a few days prior to expo. Cool someone to help me lift these 150# wheels :sombrero:
OK just another couple of photos for the records. Here is the difference between SRW and DRW front hubs (Chevy or Dodge). Also on the cab chassis E series I now have a 170mm difference back to front for the wheel track width. The back is basically 6 1/2 inches wider than the front. I am considering putting a set of 1 1/2" to 1 3/4" spacers on the front to even the track width a bit but not until I can see what room I have to play with after cutting the guards.
Lack of cornering clearance!!!
But the 17" dodge wheels I had sitting around will at least keep it mobile until I do the Texas Chainsaw remake on the guards.
Then came the interruption- The Duval's on their R80 G/S (2nd round the world trip) here for a few days prior to expo. Cool someone to help me lift these 150# wheels :sombrero:
Ozrockrat
Expedition Leader
These wheels were never going to fit without either moving the axle forward, lifting it a bunch more or trimming the fender. Given the time I would need for options 1 or 2 I decided to trim.
First things first was to pull the fenders and work on the inner body work. This involved cutting off a bit of the leading edge of the folded seam as well as folding the seam over as far as possible without cutting/welding.
When I trimmed back the inner panel as much as I could there was still not enough clearance so I folded the edge back on the inner seam and cut out as much as I dared without having to hit the structural body panels. This is with the inner folded back.
Next step was to fit the wheels again and take it for a drive to some place I could get it to move the suspension through its travel (I would of said flex but after seeing how much suspension travel I have that would be lying)
Took a few moments to raise the courage to take the cutoff wheel to a good fender.
OK fenders trimmed. No time to take it to a body shop and since I have no friends
let alone ones with body work skills I had to do it myself. Looks OK but I left trying to blend it into the full fender lines for when I can get someone who knows what they are doing to do the panel work for me. Actually managed to save most of the paint which made the missus happy. In fact it nearly got me back the brownie points I lost by removing the side steps and raising the vehicle by a few inches.
First things first was to pull the fenders and work on the inner body work. This involved cutting off a bit of the leading edge of the folded seam as well as folding the seam over as far as possible without cutting/welding.
When I trimmed back the inner panel as much as I could there was still not enough clearance so I folded the edge back on the inner seam and cut out as much as I dared without having to hit the structural body panels. This is with the inner folded back.
Next step was to fit the wheels again and take it for a drive to some place I could get it to move the suspension through its travel (I would of said flex but after seeing how much suspension travel I have that would be lying)
Took a few moments to raise the courage to take the cutoff wheel to a good fender.
OK fenders trimmed. No time to take it to a body shop and since I have no friends
let alone ones with body work skills I had to do it myself. Looks OK but I left trying to blend it into the full fender lines for when I can get someone who knows what they are doing to do the panel work for me. Actually managed to save most of the paint which made the missus happy. In fact it nearly got me back the brownie points I lost by removing the side steps and raising the vehicle by a few inches.
cjken
Explorer
Hello ozrockrat.
What year is your quigley??
(I think you said 98 somewhere)
I have a 96 and a 2000
I notice that you have round bars on your front suspension. My newer van style one has round bars, but my ambulance which looks a lot like yours has square bars.
I'm trying to learn more about the 96 that I have. It's kind of a project that I am going to be diving into in September. Mine is not going to be as serious as yours. Just for weekend trips, the beach, boat towing and a billboard for my business.
Thanks
Ken
What year is your quigley??
(I think you said 98 somewhere)
I have a 96 and a 2000
I notice that you have round bars on your front suspension. My newer van style one has round bars, but my ambulance which looks a lot like yours has square bars.
I'm trying to learn more about the 96 that I have. It's kind of a project that I am going to be diving into in September. Mine is not going to be as serious as yours. Just for weekend trips, the beach, boat towing and a billboard for my business.
Thanks
Ken
Ozrockrat
Expedition Leader
For those that are taking the SRW route I have a set of wheels for sale
If you are singling out your dually but still want to maintain the tire capacity I have a set of 19.5 x 6.75 steel wheels for sale. Checkout this thread.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/118924-19-5-x-6-75-steel-wheels-8-x-6-5-lug-pattern-Rickson-s-I-believe-Phx-or-LA-11-26
If you are singling out your dually but still want to maintain the tire capacity I have a set of 19.5 x 6.75 steel wheels for sale. Checkout this thread.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/118924-19-5-x-6-75-steel-wheels-8-x-6-5-lug-pattern-Rickson-s-I-believe-Phx-or-LA-11-26