Oil filter lock

tirod3

Active member
Every now and then a wonderful new way to service vehicles opens up a pandora's box of undesireable consequences. In the day, oil filters were contained in a heavy can with a thru bolt to hold it on, and were a mess to change. Voila! the spin on filter was invented, a labor saving device that allowed the maintenance of filters by simply spinning them off and the new one on!

Still messy. And, being outside the engine, exposed to off road damage, along with the more pressing problem of coming loose. Now, how does a filter do that when it's screwed on then turned another quarter to half turn? Beats me. So do engines with bad bearings. And if said vehicle is in a hot competition race with the first clue of the issue smoke and flames coming from under the hood? Well, the Honda S2000 racing group has had a few, some reports over 6 known since the oil then sprays back onto the exhaust manifold. They ginned up a "filter lock."

Use a "no hub coupling" for plumbing, link for HD below. It's a corrugated stainless wrapper with two hose clamps and a neoprene sealing liner, which can be modified. In the case of a F150 with 4.2 V6, I'm removing the lower hose clamp, notching the sheet metal to go around the filter extension casting so that it can't rotate, then hose clamping it to the filter. You may or may not need the liner. Point being, investigating a oil leak, the filter was found loose, again, and the techs working on it noted they had found the same on the local PD cruisers doing this, too. The only common item with all this is synthetic oil seems a lot more slippery than oil used to be decades ago. Better safe than sorry.

A hose clamp with some kind of flat stock "finger" to lock it against rotation is sold in race catalogs, it's a matter of exercising ingenuity to keep these wonderful spin on filters from doing what they do best - spinning off when you don't want it. While it may seem a bit overprotective to add a lock if nothing like that has ever happened, for those of us who have had to deal with it, marking territory for a week and then discovering it's 4 quarts low is not good. I even discovered that the '99 Forester AWD transmission has a spin on. That was an interesting replacement when it locked up in 2d gear.

 

86scotty

Cynic
I've never had a filter spin off and hardly heard of it happening. Probably because I change my own oil and wouldn't dare trust anyone else to do it. I can't believe anyone would, especially given the horror stories and Youtube vids surrounding these places, but I realize I'm in the minority in this. One of their common mistakes is not tightening the drain plug but I don't know that I've heard of an oil filter loosening but maybe once ever.

But all that aside have you forgotten about safety wire? The tried and true method for keeping things in place on engines, especially aircraft engines where human lives are at stake, is safety wire.
 

JaSAn

Grumpy Old Man
In my 60+ years of wrenching on all types of cars I have never heard of a oil filter unscrewing during operation. I've seen them punctured and ripped off but not vibrated loose. If that ever happened to me my first response would be a removable thread locker like Loctite 242.

A quick search of Honda S2000 racing site doesn't mention it.
 

tirod3

Active member
I am linking one of the posts online about S2K's with their solution. seems it dates back to 2012. As for safety wire, no, I don't think cross drilling the filter and safety wiring it will work out well for me. ; ) And yes, Im in the group of folks who have beaten a screwdriver thru a filter to remove it because it was so tight.

As for thread locker I hear good things about Permatex Orange . . . I still have that 16" flat tip and a few more even bigger now. Reading posts on 4WD years back, one of the things mentioned to take with you was a change of oil "because," and along with that, differential oil and trans fluid. Seems some folks aren't happy unless they have muddy water running over the window sill. Sitting for a few days like that to get an even bigger wrecker to haul out all the trucks in the way to get to the stuck one was cited as a reason.

I got stuck in my front yard once for ten hours, took an engine hoist and 100 feet of chain and rope to get me out. Winch and locker were then purchased and mud tires a few months later. When its a problem it gets solved. BTW, it's 2WD, seems those should be first up with that gear. So, loose filter, and I change the oil? Fix it.

 

yamaha225

Member
I’ve been working on cars since about 13 years old (or about 16 years now). Not as long as many people out there, but quite a while nonetheless. In that time I’ve had some really long commutes which saw me put 409,000 miles on a 2006 Honda Accord. As you can imagine that required a lot of oil changes and not once did I have the filter get looser during operation. It only ever gets tighter between oil changes.

I’m not saying it’s impossible for it to loosen, but I think it’s extremely likely that it loosening is a function of it not being tight to begin with. I highly doubt a properly installed oil filter would loosen.
 

tirod3

Active member
I agree, if anything my experience is a spin on gets tighter. I've always done the oil changes myself on both cars and fight the filter more than the drain plug, but I dont use a impact set at 115 on those, either (lube shop tight.)

Yet, some do have issues as I reported - service techs doing oil changes finding the PD cruisers with loose filters - they installed them. Goes to oil is either a lot slicker or something/someone else is causing a problem.

Car guys prepping their track rigs generally dont forget to check a filter is on tight enough, especially after they do find one needing a harder twist or seeing smoke and flames from another car.

Like most things - it never happens until it DOES happen, in which case we read about. Same as wet lithiums going up in smoke. First one of those I saw was a laptop . . . lately its flood damaged Teslas. Most owners would say they never saw their's burn. Until it does. Ford owners who had a Fram filter destroy their engine would say they can - yet Chevy owners scoff, different filter design, it never happens.

Humans respond to risk where they find it justified, and they usually arent going to be talked out of it. I never buy Fram, but when Taco Bell was cheap it was a good meal. Don't know why others pass it up. ; )
 

yamaha225

Member
Are you a fisherman? Assume that’s the yam225 reference?
I do fish occasionally, but I’m not sure I’d call myself a fisherman. The yamaha225 handle is actually a really old one I’ve used since I was young. It was a reference to my first ever ATV which was a 1986 Yamaha Moto 4 225cc. It was 2wd and I beat the absolute tar out of it. It taught me a lot of what I know about driving off-road, and I think the lack of 4wd made me a better driver.
Man, I wish I had a spin-on filter to worry about!
One of our vehicles is a ‘21 Tacoma and I must say, I wish it still had a spin on filter like the 4.0’s did in the 2nd gen. They were so nice to change, right on top of the engine with a nice little cup to catch the dripping oil. Now the 3.5 has this stupid cartridge filter that’s buried up under the front bash plate and requires a special tool to remove. It’s not the worst I’ve seen, but I don’t love it.
 

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