(partially) new Tundra coming?

[Clutch]

I do like these new Rav4's quite a bit. But every comparison I've read where it's pitted against the CRV, the CRV wins...

Like Hondas too, could live with the CRV. The exterior style is better, imo. But it looks like the Rav4 has the best towing, 3500# with the Adventure.

Since my world revolves around motos, always think about pulling a trailer. My trailer with two bikes is right around the 1500# mark.

The weather package on the Toyota, lotsa rubber and plastic. I can toss gear bags in there without mucking it up too bad. Though they probably all have some sort of weather liner package.

 

[battleaxe]

CRV looks like a midget Odyssey to me. And I've never liked the styling on those at all.

But to each their own.

Hey wait... Aren't we supposed to be talking about Tundras?

 

[Clutch]

Hey wait... Aren't we supposed to be talking about Tundras?

Ha ha!

I look and look at those CUV's but they always miss the mark when it comes to off-road. While I don't go super crazy, a CUV would run out of talent real quick under my thumb. Be an ok 2nd vehicle. Just need the bed of a truck and low range too much. Extra cab 6' bed seems to be about the perfect configuration for me, can't find anything that beats it for an all-a-rounder. That and to get the features I want, like at least 3500# towing...it would be at $35K real quick...no CUV is worth that imo.

Now only if Toyota had a super basic 4WD truck that got 30 mpg, and cost $25K..."if only" they went back and started making a true mini truck again.

 

[battleaxe]

Gone are the good ole days. Pretty soon a "truck" will cost you 100k. That's the way I see the market going eventually. Everything electric and expensive as hell, fees/taxes if you want to drive a gasser still.

The torque and mpg of the diesel sure would be nice, but never works out financially...at least on my calculator. New diesels are "too much, too late..."

Some of the hybrid super cars like the Porsche 918 use the system as a boost. I could see a toned down version used for torque and fuel effiency in a truck.



Not to mention now-a-days, heavy earth moving equipment and trains are some sort of hybrid system.

Those Hybrid Excavators/Loaders are so gimmicky. We saw them down at Con Expo in Vegas in 2017 when they were first released. The only way any company would actively use them is on a rental program, with huge tax incentives and rebates. The second anything breaks, you have to call the manufacturer to come diagnose (on your dime).

 

[Clutch]

Gone are the good ole days. Pretty soon a "truck" will cost you 100k. That's the way I see the market going eventually. Everything electric and expensive as hell, fees/taxes if you want to drive a gasser still.

Yeah no kidding! Why I keep my old crap running. Might be day when all the vehicles become self driving, you just pay for the service and don't own a vehicle. Which if you think about it, a vehicle spends most of its' life sitting there. Daily use I only use mine for about an hour/hour and a half.

Come to think of it, the Tacoma base model SR 4 Banger is about the closest to the "needs". 3500# towing...some guys on TW who drive like an old man like me are getting around 25 mpg, can be bought for close to $25K. Toss on a topper like I do with all my trucks, and there is the no-non-sense utility hauler.

Do like the features on the Ridgeline, the dual swing tailgate, the in bed trunk...rear seats fold up to fit my mountain bike, it hits all the marks except for off-road. At minute 15:12 did it in for me.

Those Hybrid Excavators/Loaders are so gimmicky. We saw them down at Con Expo in Vegas in 2017 when they were first released. The only way any company would actively use them is on a rental program, with huge tax incentives and rebates. The second anything breaks, you have to call the manufacturer to come diagnose (on your dime).

Never operated one of those, have rented a few joystick controlled machines...so much nicer than the old direct hydro sticks I grew up on.

Yeah, John Deere among others don't even want the owners working on their own machines anymore. And tell you the truth, they are so complicated now, not sure if I would even attempt to.


https://www.wired.com/2015/04/dmca-ownership-john-deere/

When we had ourconstruction business, we owned everything outright. But now, everything is so dang expensive, propably better off renting/leasing. So glad I am out of that business..covering the overhead operating cost is enough to make your head spin. It was made me the cheap SOB I am today.

 

[battleaxe]

I drove a 2010? Ridgeline for about 6 months (work), and it had all the creature comforts, drove like a car, was half decent on fuel... But the AWD system was absolute garbage. I'm not surprised to see it's still got some issues. To be honest, I don't know why they'd even bring that thing along for the trip other than to laugh at it.


Almost everything we have now (300+ pieces) are RTO. And aside from CAT and some JD, almost every breakdown is accompanied by a tech having to come out and diagnose it before our mechanics can touch it.

Which is AWESOME when you're running a $2,000/HR crew....

 

[Clutch]

I drove a 2010? Ridgeline for about 6 months (work), and it had all the creature comforts, drove like a car, was half decent on fuel... But the AWD system was absolute garbage. I'm not surprised to see it's still got some issues. To be honest, I don't know why they'd even bring that thing along for the trip other than to laugh at it.

It is a good idea but, but just not quite there. The Tacoma may get crappy mpg, and getting a little too techy for me...but really hard to beat as an all-a-rounder vehicle. Off-road...bone stock Tacoma walks through most of the stuff like it was nothing.

Almost everything we have now (300+ pieces) are RTO. And aside from CAT and some JD, almost every breakdown is accompanied by a tech having to come out and diagnose it before our mechanics can touch it.

Which is AWESOME when you're running a $2,000/HR crew....

Not like the old stuff, uh? Just about any knuckledragger could fix it. Not the case anymores!

 

[Todd780]

Looks like Toyota may be delaying the updated Tundra now...

 

[rruff]

Looks like Toyota may be delaying the updated Tundra now...

Hopefully they'll do a better job than they did on the Tacoma...

Supposedly the Tacoma and Tundra will be sharing a "platform", though it's hard to tell exactly what that means. Maybe very little. I could see both of them sharing a mild hybrid option though. It might not actually have that initially, but if they expect this update to last 15 years, I bet it will be designed to easily integrate a hybrid option at a later time. The longer bed option on the crew cab will please many... at least until they try to park it in a tight lot.

 

[Todd780]

Hopefully they'll do a better job than they did on the Tacoma...

Supposedly the Tacoma and Tundra will be sharing a "platform", though it's hard to tell exactly what that means. Maybe very little. I could see both of them sharing a mild hybrid option though. It might not actually have that initially, but if they expect this update to last 15 years, I bet it will be designed to easily integrate a hybrid option at a later time. The longer bed option on the crew cab will please many... at least until they try to park it in a tight lot.

Yes, it should be interesting. Did the previous gen Titan share the platform with the Frontier? I recall seeing Frontier owners swapping in Titan parts.

I don't know enough about those two trucks to confirm if they shared a platform for sure.

Agree on the bed length. Many will be happy to see it. Personally, the crew cab 5'5 box is a good fit for me.

 

[rruff]

Did the previous gen Titan share the platform with the Frontier?

Yes, though it isn't apparent what is actually "shared". Probably nothing we'd notice but maybe small parts, electronics, etc?... to some degree.

It should have been pretty easy for Toyota to make a crew with a 7' bed on the same frame as the DC with 8' (that's what I have). I suspect the longer bed would be more popular in theory than reality though.

 

[Dalko43]

Yes, though it isn't apparent what is actually "shared". Probably nothing we'd notice but maybe small parts, electronics, etc?... to some degree.

It should have been pretty easy for Toyota to make a crew with a 7' bed on the same frame as the DC with 8' (that's what I have). I suspect the longer bed would be more popular in theory than reality though.

Given that the Tundra is purpose-built for work and the Tacoma is more of a life-style truck...I highly doubt that the Tundra and Tacoma will share much more than a few bolts and exterior bits.

The gossip that is running rampant about the next Tundra is just that...gossip by people who claim to "know" inside sources. Toyota does a decent job of keeping things under a lid until release.

 

[rruff]

Given that the Tundra is purpose-built for work and the Tacoma is more of a life-style truck...I highly doubt that the Tundra and Tacoma will share much more than a few bolts and exterior bits.

That statement confuses me. Neither is built for "work" that I can tell. If they were they'd be more spartan and simple with higher payloads. Like a Hilux (maybe), or HD truck. Pickups in the US are mostly bought for everyday commuting.

 

[bkg]

Yes, though it isn't apparent what is actually "shared". Probably nothing we'd notice but maybe small parts, electronics, etc?... to some degree.

It should have been pretty easy for Toyota to make a crew with a 7' bed on the same frame as the DC with 8' (that's what I have). I suspect the longer bed would be more popular in theory than reality though.

supposedly, the frame is shared.

 

[Todd780]

supposedly, the frame is shared.

But will it be boxed or c channel? Which is better? Discuss.