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Much rather see a hybrid than a diesel. Would you need turbos on a gasser, if you can use the hybrid system as a booster, like on the Ram?
(partially) new Tundra coming?
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Much rather see a hybrid than a diesel. Would you need turbos on a gasser, if you can use the hybrid system as a booster, like on the Ram?
Yes that sounds like it would be great! I love diesel, but it is just so expensive here in CA that I wouldn’t really want to own one. I know Toyota does reliable turbo engines overseas but there is nothing like a V8 in a truck. What if they did the 4.6l engine with an electric system that made huge gains in efficiency plus put out power numbers at or exceeding the 5.7? Maybe that would be to good to be true.
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The torque and mpg of the diesel sure would be nice, but never works out financially...at least on my calculator. New diesels are "too much, too late..."
Some of the hybrid super cars like the Porsche 918 use the system as a boost. I could see a toned down version used for torque and fuel effiency in a truck.
Not to mention now-a-days, heavy earth moving equipment and trains are some sort of hybrid system.
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To be fair, new diesels are hampered by EPA regulations. Imagine a where we would be if it wasn’t for the incredibly complicated , efficiency sucking emissions equipment. I’d LOVE to delete my power stroke, grab an extra few ponies and 20% increase in mileage... but it’s under warranty. So I watch the computer at every re-gen drop mileage like a rock - about 20-30% - for 20-25 miles. It’s annoying, but it’s the world we live in.
Point being, the potential for a super efficient diesel is there - DC won’t let that happen.
Point being, the potential for a super efficient diesel is there - DC won’t let that happen.
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Totally agree with you, that and the diesel fuel itself is no longer cheap. Years ago we even had own gas and diesel pumps at our shop, now-a-days EPA makes it nearly impossible ($$$) for a small private company to do that.
Believe Toyota sees the writing on the wall for diesel. Many Euro cities are starting to ban it altogether. Has Ram gotten their EcoDiesel to pass emissions yet? Last time I checked, don't see it as an option for the 2019's.
Was watching Dirty Money on netflix, VW is one of the episodes. An independent company did test on BMW and Mercedes diesels too, which they did not pass...why the hammer came down on VW and not them I don't know. Might be a matter of time is my guess.
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Reality is that the government is forcing the end if diesel. Between ULSD and emissions, and the fact that even with the best of technologies, companies are unable to pass gov't standards... tells us either the government standards are idiotic... or they are working exactly like the government intends.
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Reality is that the government is forcing the end if diesel. Between ULSD and emissions, and the fact that even with the best of technologies, companies are unable to pass gov't standards... tells us either the government standards are idiotic... or they are working exactly like the government intends.
Yan know...wonder how much of it is "government" regulations...and how much of it is auto manufactures lobbying the government to impose more regulations so they can sell more vehicles.
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I’d be willing to bet that most of that lobbying was done by automotive suppliers rather than mfg’s
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Modern train locomotives are a diesel-electric system. There is a large diesel engine (12 or 16 cylinders depending on the model) that produces lots of electricity to power either 4 or 6 electric motors (again, depending on the model). One motor per axle. The diesel engine is only a power plant....it's not connected to the wheels at all. This system allows each locomotive to produce around 4400 HP.
On a truck I wonder if it makes more sense to have a single electric motor per axle, or have a motor for each wheel. Interesting to think about.
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Was watcing a video on the new Rav4, the hybrid version makes the most power of the all the models, comes standard as AWD, but instead of the traditional AWD system, the rear is electric motors.
Start talking about the Hybrid at around the 12:40 mark.
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Fixed that for you. (Speaking specifically about the 1J/2J engines) But I guess that all depends on if you're talking about gas or diesel engines...
I kinda hate to say it, but I really like the new Rav4's.
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I didn't like them at first, saw one in person recently...it isn't too bad. The interior is pretty sharp looking.
When we get family visiting in town, I have been renting CUV's...really nice for running around.
