Shanfari
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Patrol (coil) vs. Land Cruiser HD (HZJ 79)
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I'm a member in Patrol4x4.com since 2010! You can get a lot of feeds there as most of them drive their Patrols over their limits
I thought this here was an international forum? With users around the world? Well i guess the big question is - since nissan seems to be widely known for their better axles an at least comparable frames, why didn't the company tried harder to surpass toyota at this market? Of course the 1HZ engine was a very hard argument i guess for the most years, but is it so hard to design such a simple engine?
Co-opski
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Are you from Wisconsin? The EAA fly-in is one of the best. 2 Alaskans took prizes in the short distance take-off and landing contest. I would love to get down to Oshkosh some time for the EAA.
Ohh and if you are building a true off roading vehicle and want the strongest frame just fab up a tube chassis. RMPO has built some of the best off road trucks on this forum so I would listen to what he has to say about frames and axles.
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I do not really understand? But there are two vehicles in this area we left out of those comparsions. The HDJ 100 , which is as far as i know the same as the HDJ 80, in terms of frame and axles and the New HDJ 200, which got a single suspension front, but a pretty solid one and a big rear axle.
I dont know anything about the 200 frame, but it is based on the tundra, but fully boxed, sounds good, but can it keep up with the oldtimers?
I dont know anything about the 200 frame, but it is based on the tundra, but fully boxed, sounds good, but can it keep up with the oldtimers?
Abitibi
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If you guys wanna try first hand experience on the Patrol axles I'll have a complete set for sale that I removed from a '92 Patrol. I haven't posted them yet but since it's pertinent to the conversation... Anyway, here's a few pictures for those that are more the visual types
All I can say, I have absolutely no issues with my '93 Patrol, loving it!
All I can say, I have absolutely no issues with my '93 Patrol, loving it!
RMP&O
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If you guys wanna try first hand experience on the Patrol axles I'll have a complete set for sale that I removed from a '92 Patrol. I haven't posted them yet but since it's pertinent to the conversation... Anyway, here's a few pictures for those that are more the visual types
All I can say, I have absolutely no issues with my '93 Patrol, loving it!
I would love to play with those in a build! No can do though at this time. You can see by these pictures too that the Nissan front axle design is superior to the Toyota. better radius arm design and better locations of tie rod & drag link. Internals is another argument but as far as suspension and steering, I feel the Patrols is superior.
100-series Cruiser does have the same frame as an 80 but the whole front end is IFS. So all the bracketry and welds on the front of the frame are different. I have heard of issues with the IFS and it's bracketry when stressed, issues as in welds cracking. It is actually fairly common on IFS FJ-Cruisers.
Like I said a few times, I think both are great trucks and both are well made and have been for a long time. Getting into specifics, Nissan beats Toyota here and Toyota beats Nissan there. What Toyota has always been really good at compared to Nissan is advertising, marketing and model support. Nissan has always kind of failed at getting their name and trucks out there, in particular the Patrols. Toyota on the other hand has been very smart in it's marketing of Cruisers and has been doing that for many decades.
This is an international website and forum but by far most users are USA based. No Patrols here since 1969 besides a handful of imports. That means lack of info. I myself might be very knowledgeable with Patrols but have not had the chance to get very familiar with the Y60's & Y61s. Other than just online info and driving a few while overseas.
I am a fan of both trucks and own both trucks. They are both awesome trucks but if I could only own one, it would be a Patrol hands down.
Cheers
Yeah the normal J100 can not be compared because of the IFS. No doubt Toyota tried to make a solid IFS, but in most cases those never come close to a solid axle. (the silverade hd may have a comparable axial mass, but big wheels still seem to kill it)
But i ment the HD-100, like the HZJ 105, but i guess this is just a HDJ 80 with a newer design in the end.
Did Nissan change anything concerning the axles between Y60 and Y61?
But i ment the HD-100, like the HZJ 105, but i guess this is just a HDJ 80 with a newer design in the end.
Did Nissan change anything concerning the axles between Y60 and Y61?
RMP&O
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I think so yes. I believe the Y61 has a little better front axle, not bigger as it is still an H233 but better internals. Nissan did upgrade the steering box from the Y60 to the Y61.
Nissan actually offered a full float rear axle but it is very rare unlike on Cruisers.
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The IFS from the 2nd generation Pajero/Montero is known to be extremely strong, along with the front differential.
Of course, there is not much flexibility or wheel travel in the IFS on these trucks, but they are extremely durable.
Any experience with these, from you overseas guys, that you want to share?
Of course, there is not much flexibility or wheel travel in the IFS on these trucks, but they are extremely durable.
Any experience with these, from you overseas guys, that you want to share?
Abitibi
Explorer
I'm lucky enough to own both so I might be able to answer you.
The Pajero is a very strong and capable little truck. We've offroaded plenty both the Patrol and the Pajero and the way I see it, the Pajero is like the Patrol little brother. Hard to explain but even in stock form it works really good. Haven't had our seen issues with the drivetrain except for the engine (the little 2.8 turbo diesel doesn't tolerate well overheating).
The Pajero is a very strong and capable little truck. We've offroaded plenty both the Patrol and the Pajero and the way I see it, the Pajero is like the Patrol little brother. Hard to explain but even in stock form it works really good. Haven't had our seen issues with the drivetrain except for the engine (the little 2.8 turbo diesel doesn't tolerate well overheating).
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Thanks! Any thoughts on the Pajero frame, etc?
I have a few trucks, although I don't use them as hard as you guys do. None of themhave given me mechanical issues or had failures. What conditions have you seen cause the failure of the front diff on an LC 80? That has been mentioned a few times on this thread. I have not seen it, but I am not around 80's with 40" tires either, like you guys.
I have a few trucks, although I don't use them as hard as you guys do. None of themhave given me mechanical issues or had failures. What conditions have you seen cause the failure of the front diff on an LC 80? That has been mentioned a few times on this thread. I have not seen it, but I am not around 80's with 40" tires either, like you guys.
Don't know much about the Pajero Frame, but got my hands on a Hyundai Terracan frame. Not bad, but not comparable to the Nisan, much lighter, more like the Land Cruiser 90 frame.
But again: How can the non-fullfloater Patrol axles be so much better than the ff Land cruiser axles?
But again: How can the non-fullfloater Patrol axles be so much better than the ff Land cruiser axles?
RMP&O
Expedition Leader
Axle shaft diameter, spline count, material the shaft is made from.
Don't think anybody here said the Patrol axle is 100x better than the Toyota FF. The Toyota 9.5 diff is very strong. I think your question would be better asked of Aussies who have lot's of both trucks and most of your Aussie race trucks are either Patrols or using Patrol axles.
Cheers
Hi,
yeah of course i guess in the end if you would compare the actual models, say the Patrol Leaf Spring Pickup and the Toyota J7 Pickup there won't be too much difference. (since there is no J7 with coil in the rear, it's hard to compare those anyway, and both the J8 and J100 with the solid front axle are out of production)
The 9.5 Diff is the one used in both the modern J7 and the J100 (with solid front) right?
Well there is a slim chance Toyota will bring back the J7 for the 30th anniversary in europe, but only with the V6 gas engine. But the price might be really low, so it might be an option.
Greetings
yeah of course i guess in the end if you would compare the actual models, say the Patrol Leaf Spring Pickup and the Toyota J7 Pickup there won't be too much difference. (since there is no J7 with coil in the rear, it's hard to compare those anyway, and both the J8 and J100 with the solid front axle are out of production)
The 9.5 Diff is the one used in both the modern J7 and the J100 (with solid front) right?
Well there is a slim chance Toyota will bring back the J7 for the 30th anniversary in europe, but only with the V6 gas engine. But the price might be really low, so it might be an option.
Greetings