gabepari
Explorer
I guess I have to ask, what is a standard trailer tongue?
That's like asking for a medium wrench :ylsmoke:
Pintle vs Lock&Roll vs Max Coupler
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I guess I have to ask, what is a standard trailer tongue?
That's like asking for a medium wrench :ylsmoke:
teotwaki
Excelsior!
When was it redesigned and how can we tell the difference?
Word may not have gotten around because the LNR guys have such a poor attitude towards customer service.
adventureduo
Dave Druck [KI6LBB]
Jim,
We have the new LNR and have been happy with it. They swapped the ends on it so you can no longer kink the trailer end when backing up. Basically put the swivel side opposite of where it used to be. Been running it for 8 months or so with no problems. Where as our Max Coupler started to separate and almost failed, in turn losing the trailer. Supposedly Max Coupler has fix the problem, but we gave them plenty of time to do so and it never happened. We needed a coupler and moved on and back to LNR. We towed with an original LNR for about 4 years prior to going to a Max coupler. The problem with Great Lakes Forge (LNR manuf) is that they have military contracts. They're not exactly jumping out of their chairs for a $200 coupler when they are producing 20,000 piece Purchase Orders. I talked to the owner in length right before last years Overland Expo and they expressed that they wanted to fix this and realized that we matter. If that took place i wouldn't know since after the part arrived, i haven't needed anything from them. The coupler has worked flawless and we go out more than most people.
We have the new LNR and have been happy with it. They swapped the ends on it so you can no longer kink the trailer end when backing up. Basically put the swivel side opposite of where it used to be. Been running it for 8 months or so with no problems. Where as our Max Coupler started to separate and almost failed, in turn losing the trailer. Supposedly Max Coupler has fix the problem, but we gave them plenty of time to do so and it never happened. We needed a coupler and moved on and back to LNR. We towed with an original LNR for about 4 years prior to going to a Max coupler. The problem with Great Lakes Forge (LNR manuf) is that they have military contracts. They're not exactly jumping out of their chairs for a $200 coupler when they are producing 20,000 piece Purchase Orders. I talked to the owner in length right before last years Overland Expo and they expressed that they wanted to fix this and realized that we matter. If that took place i wouldn't know since after the part arrived, i haven't needed anything from them. The coupler has worked flawless and we go out more than most people.
LandCruiserPhil
Expedition Leader
Where can you purchase a LNR hitch when they are available?
adventureduo
Dave Druck [KI6LBB]
They are available now, i think they make them special order.
www.locknroll.com
They've re-vamped their website as well and show the newest version.
www.locknroll.com
They've re-vamped their website as well and show the newest version.
Mundo4x4Casa
West slope, N. Ser. Nev.
I've been looking around for a different hitch system for my 1955 Bradley utility trailer. It's kind of a wider, lower sided version of the M100 or M416. When I have the trailer on and wood gathering (we heat our home with firewood) behind either my XJ or my Dodge 4x4 I get twisted up pretty bad. The ball hitch does not allow for enough twist.
So my question is: in the photo above, are either end of the hitch parts on a swivel? If not, that would be a deal breaker, as I need more swivel than the ball and socket provide.
I've owned five jeep trailers over the years and only now, in the twilight of my life do I have enough space to store one.
About 1965 I home-built a small trailer to pull behind my 1949 Jeep Ute Wagon. Pulled the tongue right off the damned thing.
I had a 1942 Bantam with lunette. Uh! was that thing heavy. About 600 lbs. Bullet proof though.
I had a 1967 Viet Nam War era M 416. It was lighter and we did an SOA on it and changed the wheels. It was a good one. Again with a lunette.
I had a 1968 Con Ferr Toyota Land Cruiser jeep trailer. This one was clearly the best of the lot. They made a few of them in their Burbank shop. It was all metal, with a sturdy axle and matching Toy 6 lug hubs and same track width with a hinged and waterproof pair of locking lids. Also had four lockable jeep can holders on the sides. It was about 450 lbs. Two woes: it had 'trailer springs' which broke on a trip to Baja about 1974. I replaced them with much more robust ones. It also had a stamped coupler/ball set up which didn't allow for much twist. Here it its: axle removed and carcass laying across the Tomba Burro to the roof in the Vizciano Desert, Baja.
Last year our neighbor was moving and I asked if their 1955 Bradley was going with them. No it wasn't. But for $100 I could take it. Terrific shape and no rust. Original oxidized (think lead based) dark blue paint. Sears sold these by the thousands in the 50's and they are built very tough with a double diamond plate floor and thick metal sides and abbreviated fenders. I rewired and put new lights on it; and built 32" tall cedar stake sides all around. It has a tailgate and a set of springs that look like they were from a pickup rear axle of the era. Big 15" wheels/tires. I'll bet it would take a thousand pounds of gravel without a wimper. I've had it loaded to the top with fresh cut oak with no woe. Interesting that it has a truss rod under the main tongue channel iron. I'll take a pic of it for you.
We have a tandem axle 1960's small horse trailer which I've completely enclosed and we use it to haul our trash to the dump. No garbage pickup here. The bears were getting to be a nuisance before that with the trash. It's now bear resistant. it was white in color when I got it ($225) and I wanted to put great big 12" letters on the sides announcing the intent of the trailer: "White Trash". This idea didn't go over big with Jeanie so I painted it Saddle Brown.
I also have a tandem car hauler with which to haul my CJ8 rock crawler around. I did an SOA on it too. I guess I have more trailers than I thought.
So now we're back to what is going to replace that stock socket/ball set up.
regards, as always, jefe
So my question is: in the photo above, are either end of the hitch parts on a swivel? If not, that would be a deal breaker, as I need more swivel than the ball and socket provide.
I've owned five jeep trailers over the years and only now, in the twilight of my life do I have enough space to store one.
About 1965 I home-built a small trailer to pull behind my 1949 Jeep Ute Wagon. Pulled the tongue right off the damned thing.
I had a 1942 Bantam with lunette. Uh! was that thing heavy. About 600 lbs. Bullet proof though.
I had a 1967 Viet Nam War era M 416. It was lighter and we did an SOA on it and changed the wheels. It was a good one. Again with a lunette.
I had a 1968 Con Ferr Toyota Land Cruiser jeep trailer. This one was clearly the best of the lot. They made a few of them in their Burbank shop. It was all metal, with a sturdy axle and matching Toy 6 lug hubs and same track width with a hinged and waterproof pair of locking lids. Also had four lockable jeep can holders on the sides. It was about 450 lbs. Two woes: it had 'trailer springs' which broke on a trip to Baja about 1974. I replaced them with much more robust ones. It also had a stamped coupler/ball set up which didn't allow for much twist. Here it its: axle removed and carcass laying across the Tomba Burro to the roof in the Vizciano Desert, Baja.
Last year our neighbor was moving and I asked if their 1955 Bradley was going with them. No it wasn't. But for $100 I could take it. Terrific shape and no rust. Original oxidized (think lead based) dark blue paint. Sears sold these by the thousands in the 50's and they are built very tough with a double diamond plate floor and thick metal sides and abbreviated fenders. I rewired and put new lights on it; and built 32" tall cedar stake sides all around. It has a tailgate and a set of springs that look like they were from a pickup rear axle of the era. Big 15" wheels/tires. I'll bet it would take a thousand pounds of gravel without a wimper. I've had it loaded to the top with fresh cut oak with no woe. Interesting that it has a truss rod under the main tongue channel iron. I'll take a pic of it for you.
We have a tandem axle 1960's small horse trailer which I've completely enclosed and we use it to haul our trash to the dump. No garbage pickup here. The bears were getting to be a nuisance before that with the trash. It's now bear resistant. it was white in color when I got it ($225) and I wanted to put great big 12" letters on the sides announcing the intent of the trailer: "White Trash". This idea didn't go over big with Jeanie so I painted it Saddle Brown.
I also have a tandem car hauler with which to haul my CJ8 rock crawler around. I did an SOA on it too. I guess I have more trailers than I thought.
So now we're back to what is going to replace that stock socket/ball set up.
regards, as always, jefe
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richxd87
Observer
http://locknroll.com/
Dave, any thoughts on full 360 degree rotation vs their new rotation limited hitches?
elmo_4_vt
Explorer
They definitely have a swivel, looking at the web-site that was posted, it does state that there are two different models, one with a 45* limitation for sub-2000lb trailers, and one with full 360* swivel for all trailers. I will probably get the Lock-N-Roll for my trailer. I was very happy with their last model.
Not that you were asking me... But it looks like the rotation limited hitches they sell are only for smaller trailers. Not sure why that is, but for me, if I'm going to get a mult-axis hitch, getting one with a limiter seems counter-productive. Being able to fully isolate the twisting of the trailer would seem to be a good thing on an off-road trailer under almost all circumstances.
Don
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richxd87
Observer
Don, appreciate your response. I've just heard of situations where a pintle would prevent a trailer from a roll over because it is not allowed to rotate 360 degrees. I thought maybe the LNR with limiter might be the best of both worlds? Appreciate any thoughts on this!
Thanks,
Richard
Thanks,
Richard
Mundo4x4Casa
West slope, N. Ser. Nev.
Good information boys. In my experience dragging a military trailer over the Rubicon, I don't think 45 degrees is enough. Of course, we've rolled those little militaries onto their lids a few times, and maybe that would not have happened if we had the limiter. But, what about the torque on the hitch at the limit? That's the problem with the ball hitch: too much torque at the limit, which comes too soon for where I go with it.
I still haven't decided which way to go. I took a few pics of my 1955 Bradley:
Here's the offending cast or stamped hitch: (don't open these if you have limited download speed)
and a few more pix with the cedar sides on:
Yes, those reflectors came with the trailer lo those 58 years ago. And no, the sides go away if using the trailer for boondocking/Expo-ing.
jefe
I still haven't decided which way to go. I took a few pics of my 1955 Bradley:
Here's the offending cast or stamped hitch: (don't open these if you have limited download speed)
and a few more pix with the cedar sides on:
Yes, those reflectors came with the trailer lo those 58 years ago. And no, the sides go away if using the trailer for boondocking/Expo-ing.
jefe
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STREGA
Explorer
I have used the "old style" LNR on a AT Horizon and never had any issues with it. On a So-Cal Krawler TD that I had used last year it had the Max Coupler, (which was the early style version that did not suffer the issues that Adventure duo had which was the mass produced version) and it worked well too. I found the LNR was a lot easier to hitch up, especially by myself than the Max Coupler. On my next trailer I would more than likely get a LNR and would seriously consider the one with limited rotation.
adventureduo
Dave Druck [KI6LBB]
I had mine made with 360 degree roll. Just specify when ordering. I don't want limitations. However, i can see them making them that way for folks - liability reasons.
