Post Processing - Getting Help, KelbyTraining or NAPP?

nwoods

Expedition Leader
I am somewhat confused between KelbyTraining, which offers a wide range of photography related training, with a special emphasis on software usage, verses NAPP, which offers a wide range of photography related training, with a special emphasis on software usage. Two separate fees, two separate sites, both run by the same folks.

Is anyone here a member of one or both of these? How do they differ?
 

smslavin

Adventurer
I had been a member of NAPP. Never took one of their course but used the web site quite a bit when I first made the transition to digital. What do you need help with? I'd be more than happy to do a Skype screen share or something and walk through a few things with you. I've got a pretty good process nailed down.
 

nwoods

Expedition Leader
Well for starters, I need help with time and money....

LOL, I don't have anything specific in mind. I actually got a subscription to both at the beginning of the year, with the goal of improving my Photoshop and Lightroom skills, and maybe even learn how to take flash photography or night time images. Two areas I am terrible at. I would also like to learn how to take video, but that takes so much time! I have been extraordinarily busy this year and have not actually gained much from either website due to lack of time. I only have a few months left and need to delve into it. But as I start looking at it, the overlap is confusing me, and I'm wondering if a subscription to both is somewhat redundant.
 

smslavin

Adventurer
Well for starters, I need help with time and money....

I hear ya on that one.

My workflow is based totally around LR. When I had my studio, I was able to get through a wedding edit in about 4 hours. Roughly 2500 frames down to 600 with color correction. I had a bunch of Automator scripts that would run the export from LR for prints and FTP them directly to the lab. The less time I spent behind a computer the better. Any images that were being printed larger than 11x14, or that were going into albums, had additional tweaks made to them in PS. That part always got a little time consuming.

What kind of flash stuff are you interested in? Small units or big lights?

Let me know what you need. More than happy to help you out.
 

Honu

lost on the mainland
Ditto can help out what I can :)
the videos on those sites are good to watch get ideas

been at this a long time and have a pretty good post production company that does a lot of great work both album design and post work color and PS etc..
www.happyfish.com

also did some pretty high end advertising commercial work in the past and still shoot weddings and portraits

new light gear I bought this year I am stoked about are some cheetah lights :) very cool bare bulb kinda like QTM units
https://www.cheetahstand.com/A-New-Bare-Bulb-Flash-Arrives-p/cl-360combo.htm

also use speedlights and larger lights etc.. like Elinchrom modifiers and good stands :) light gear is something I say buy nice cause it lasts a long time :)

got to update my site one day :) ahahaha to busy to though which is good
www.chaddahlquist.com
gives ya a idea of my wedding work over the years with a bit of other at the end :)

one thing about post work in LR and PS is IMHO getting a good base knowledge so learning a bit at first rather than getting to vertical in small areas ? if that makes sense understanding what the tools do etc..
I don't use presets much in LR a few of my own for color work that is to correct issues but that is about it
PS is still superior for touching up images
I have a custom X keys for LR work so I can do quite a few images quicker without having to touch a mouse makes it quicker
for PS I also use a custom X keys setup with a wacom tablet ! IMHO a must have for PS work
things that save time in PS are some actions
example to retouch eyes my action will create the layer and then select whatever needs to be selected including a custom brush size and opacity and such as a starting point

a lot of retouching IMHO is over done and to actiony looking where good clean stuff is nicer in the long run even some of my early wedding work was to cooked :) but oh well :) it happens but the base is good which is what counts
 

nwoods

Expedition Leader
got to update my site one day :) ahahaha to busy to though which is good
www.chaddahlquist.com

#73 of 93...is that Tiger Woods's house?

Things I want to learn:
1. How to conceptualize and then film video using my SLR
2. How to shoot high key images
3. How to shoot night scenes
4. How to use a flash without the results looking like images from a disposable cardboard Kodak camera
5. How to appreciate Light Room over Bridge ( I am fast and very efficient in Bridge)
 

Honu

lost on the mainland
that was the home about the rumors to be his but was not someone else owns it :)
pretty slick house though got to shoot a lot of homes like that :) pretty fun to see how the other half lives :)
funny when that rumor started a bunch of people who knew I shot those told me about it :) kinda funny really

hope this rambling gets ya thinking a bit :) looking at the list in quick #4 and #5 I can help with more than the first 3 :)
#3 I want to do as I say later :) some time lapse stuff when we go camping and get into some aerial stuff with multi rotor so always learning more myself :) but the night time lapse seems like a fun personal thing I want to do

on the others a few links

check this out
http://www.creativelive.com/calendar
the live ones are free and might give ya some help on some things :)
dont know what the Jared platt thing is ? but might be interesting to watch :)
they have video stuff come up sometime though

http://www.adorama.com/alc/
the photo and video tips area has some good stuff also especially for the lighting #4
also
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheSlantedLens
great lighting videos to watch you can learn a lot about modifiers and how they word dif and effect things from this channel ! and of course technique on subjects

this http://www.pocketwizard.com/videos/education/webinars/
also good about #4 since triggering flash is important in light
I have pocket wizard multi max I never use anymore ;) instead I use phottix triggers these days

good over all forum for lighting mix of new stuff and gear and lots of things
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=35


#1 I did in film study classes and I want to learn more so I would say that might be best to a video guy :) I really am a photographer and being a GOOD video person is just a tough talent
#2 high key is all about the subject and light :) something I can do but dont do ? but subject and light are the things that make it high key :) I might say again not my area of specialty but trial and error for sure learning and not that hard to do IMHO might say just find and practice tutorials on that one

#3 night scenes such as nature stuff ? I used to do some of this and want to learn more about doing time lapse stuff with it have to dig up a couple forums I found pretty good and some of the folks do a lot of frame stacking something to look up and for sure good tripod lots of time and putting together multiple elements so you would shoot for the sky shoot for the foreground then any other parts and bring those and blend them together in PS kinda thing

#4 for people :) its get the light off the camera and use modifiers to control or change the light soften it or give it more edge or just control the spill of the light
this is something I know about so depending on specifics ?

#5 IMHO LR is the tool over bridge big time cause it makes bridge and ACR seamless and gives you a really nice DAM (Digital Asset Management) capability on top of it
I do think many try to bypass PS and do to much in LR though ? while you can do a ton some things are best in PS still
so learning the two together is really the key to tweaking images but getting the pop and color out of LR again like PS I say learn the basics of it before you learn to many actions and just applying actions to images is not really learning it and that is why not sure what the seminar above is going to be about ?
me I do a ton of work for pros CC (color Correcting) there work etc.. and with #4 lighting the nice thing is you can control that and not have to go into PS as much

depending on how you work in Bridge and you can get in and find images and stuff I dont always think one needs to learn LR over bridge and ACR UNLESS you feel there are holes where you are struggling then if that can fill in the holes start the learning process to change

a good example of this could be lighting I dont claim to be the best :) I know what I like and the style I like which is more natural when I can be but also like some more dramatic
but I have some large plug in studio stuff from Photogenic also have quite a few speedlights including some old vivitar 285 I still use so I think I have about 6 speedlights I use and I also have two new Cheetah lights :) very cool 300 WS of power battery operated bare bulb :) very excited about these
and like cameras I use FF and M4/3 gear and each has its pros and cons

I have very strong opinions on things :) but also know I have seen some insane good movies I love to watch come off a go pro over something shot like garbage on a RED camera :) so I do tend to think technique and content win out over gear but gear in the right hands can help and sometimes gear choices are based on the best ! like a go pro you would not want to strap a red outside your rig and go 4x4 with it :) but I would not want to shoot the next hobbit movie with a go pro

could be fun to get on the phone some day over LR stuff if ya ever want

this has kinda changed on me some over time but its what I use for LR I dont use the mouse unless I am dodging burning doing masking or gradients or touching up spots :)
most everything is done with this because its so much quicker :)

I am a old film guy so I believe LR is the wet side and developing the negative and PS is the dry side and doing the print and if I want to cook the image up more I often do that in PS
but getting back sky and things is all LR for some shots of course I might develop 3 versions or so and blend them in PS later on like homes shooting interior then exterior windows and then the lighting etc. try to get it in camera but sometimes ya just cant

lrxkeys.jpg
 

Rattler

Thornton Melon's Kid
I am a newb to going above a point-and-shoot. I purchased a Canon T2i and have had an addiction since. I picked up stuff like extra batteries, remote, tripod, etc. here and there. For glass I got the 18-55 IS, 50MM 1.8 (tough to beat for @$100) and the 55-250 IS. I have bugged a few pros I know about various areas. I have bugged Pat Bonish (Every Miles A Memory on here) about a lot of stuff in general and he has gladly put up with my dumb questions. He did recommend the Scott Kelby books to me and they have been quite helpful (probably to slow down the dumb ??s). Other times I will look at pics on Flickr and see what settings and glass they used. I like to go to a no-too-far-far-away concert venue and take pics there. I started seeing one photographer at Volbeat shows we would go to and started bugging him. He was the one who pointed me in the direction of shooting in RAW a lot and to Lightroom. I picked up LR4 a couple months ago from B&H and love it. Even better? It came with a Scott Kelby tutorial DVD that has been quite helpful.

I already want to step up to a Canon 7D or something around that $$ range.

I think this is one of my favorites I have taken. Its at High Rock Bay in Michigan's Upper Penninsula on the UP Overland 2013 back in August. It is compressed some due to it being on FB. I really didn't mess that much with it. I am open to critique too.
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Kiddmen57

Supporting Sponsor
I shot 35mm BW film in high school and resisted the switch to digital, until 2010. By that time it just no longer made sense for me to carry on with film. The only issue with this transition is that I have never really learned to use digital processing. I'm in even worse shape than you, I have a bootleg copy of PS CS3 I think that does not support the RAW files from my 5DII, so I just shoot JPEG until I can upgrade. Was planning on getting a less than ancient computer, and switching to Mac, but my fridge decided to puke on me this last weekend and put the kilbosh on the computer purchase. Once I do get up and running I plan on grabbing LR, and the new PS subscription.

Check into the local community colleges as well. My local CC has community courses that are cheaper and typically outside of daytime hours. Seems like the direction I might take to learn a bit more.
 

nwoods

Expedition Leader
Well...I guess Scott Kelby heard my question and made things a bit more clear. They merged NAPP and KelbyTraining into KelbyOne!

 

BretEdge

Adventurer
I immediately thought of this post when I saw news of the merger.

Just one other thought: find an instructor who offers Lightroom and Photoshop classes and spend a day with them. Hell, even just a few hours can do miracles for your processing technique.
 

Rattler

Thornton Melon's Kid
I may have stated it earlier. I got a Kelby Training DVD with LIghtroom 4 when I bought it from B&H. I have watched it a few times now.
 

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