PPG100 Portable Power Station Now Available

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The PPG100 Portable Power Station runs on clean, safe, reliable energy. Without any need for noisy motors or exhaust from fuel burning, the PPG100 is operable virtually anywhere.

Charge it with a Flexopower Foldable Solar Panel!

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Airmapper

Inactive Member
Is this sponsored spam?

Yes. Although I thought I read some guidelines once they are supposed to restrain themselves a bit better....this forum is on topic, i.e. applicable, they spammed it across some others it's a bit of a logical stretch.
 

4xdog

Explorer
Seems like the use of the term "generator" with regard to this product is a bit of a stretch. It's a battery pack, yes?
 

Rando

Explorer
What is the charge rate (amps) when charging from 12V?

Also is the 12V actually regulated to 12V, or is it the raw battery voltage of 14.4 - 16V?
 

john61ct

Adventurer
Seems like the use of the term "generator" with regard to this product is a bit of a stretch. It's a battery pack, yes?
Yes, that usage with no actual charging source included makes the whole thing immediately suspect in my book.

"Solar generator" is bad enough, but these overpriced "batt in a box with plugs and some electronics" I just call powerpacks.

DIY is always better suited to your needs and a fraction of the price.
 

john61ct

Adventurer
What is the charge rate (amps) when charging from 12V?

Also is the 12V actually regulated to 12V, or is it the raw battery voltage of 14.4 - 16V?
You need to determine the actual AH capacity measured at 12V and at a standard discharge rate, in the US we use 20 hours.

These devices usually obscure the hell out of that spec to conceal just how tiny that is.

You also need to determine if direct access to the batt is available, bypassing their pissweak BMS that limits you to charging overnight only.

Finally, what is the actual cell chemistry and native voltage, and where can replacements for the internal batt(s) be obtained reasonably when it wears out.

Ideally from third parties, since this firm will likely drop off the map.
 

4xdog

Explorer
I notice the "Learn more" link in the op doesn't mention the word "generator". I'd have bet a nickel it did when I first read it the other day. Am I misremembering something there?
 

Rando

Explorer
In order to charge a 14.4V lithium-ion battery from a 12v source, they must have a DC-DC boost converter in this thing - which must have some sort of current rating. I am curious what that current rating is, as it isn't specified anywhere, only that full charging on 12v is not recommended. The rate at which it charges of 12V is a pretty key specification for anyone who is planning on using this as a power source in a vehicle.

There also doesn't appear to be any specification for the solar charging. As it claims to accept 12-30V, I would assume it has a charge controller built in, but what is the current rating? Kind of a key specification to know if you are planning on buying a solar panel to charge this thing.
 
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rkfoote

Member
Here are the best specs you can find on it: http://midlandusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/PPG100-Owners-Manual.pdf
Looks mostly like a GoalZero Yeti 1000: https://www.goalzero.com/shop/power-stations/goal-zero-yeti-1000-lithium-portable-power-station/

***I'm not advocating for either unit. ***

Here is my pro/con list:

Goal Zero Yeti 1000 (~$1000 at costco)
+ 1045 W/hr
+ 1500 watt inverter
+ Fast Charging (max 360 watt) - Not sure if +/- no specs for the PPG100
+ Cost ($1000)
- No Solid Case
- PWM for solar (not sure if PPG100 is PWM or MPPT)
- 14-22v input


PPG100 (~$1100 from website)
+ Pelican case (or equiv)
+ 12-30v input (wider range)
- Cost ($1100)
- 950 W/hr
- 400 Watt inverter
 

4xdog

Explorer
I notice the "Learn more" link in the op doesn't mention the word "generator". I'd have bet a nickel it did when I first read it the other day. Am I misremembering something there?

The listing for the product on REI's website still uses the phrase "portable power generator".
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john61ct

Adventurer
In order to charge a 14.4V lithium-ion battery from a 12v source, they must have a DC-DC boost converter in this thing - which must have some sort of current rating.

No, "12V" is just a vague nominal term.

And each of the many lithium-type chemistries has its own voltage-per-cell profile, none of which come out to 14.4V.

But say it's LiFePO4 aka LFP @3.2Vpc nominal, usually around 13.2V per 4s pack. Mfg spec might allow 14.4V charging, but optimal for longevity is 13.8-13.9V.

And even if the vendor says "max charging current 20A" or something, if you can get direct access to the internal batt, bypassing any protective BMS or converter circuitry, you can usually safely recharge from flat to empty in one hour, long as you know what you're doing.

But the vendor will scream no you can't because this is litigious Amerika.

> As it claims to accept 12-30V, I would assume it has a charge controller built in, but what is the current rating? Kind of a key specification to know if you are planning on buying a solar panel to charge this thing

As I said, they obfuscate this stuff for marketing purposes. Obviously they want you to buy that specific solar panel.

The target market for these units is noobies with way too much money.

Avoid.
 

Rando

Explorer
Actually most lithium ion chemistries have a nominal cell voltage of ~3.6V, thus 4 in series is 14.4V. The one thing the minimal product specs do state is that this is based around a 66Ah 14.4V battery - so yes there needs to be a DC-DC converter to charge this (full charge voltage ~ 16.8V) off an automotive '12V' (ie 12 - 14V) source - that circuitry has a current limit designed into it - I am wondering what that current limit is?

Also, they don't seem to be selling a solar panel to go with it, so I assume you must provide your own. But it would be silly to provide a 100W panel if the charge current is limited to 2A.
 
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