Thanks...Shelf roads are out. I did it a couple of times in the van - and that was it. Too big of a vehicle.Kudos for taking a 9500# van all over but attaching a trailer changes the whole equation even in the best of circumstances. If you don't get stuck backing out of a shelf road or tight situation may alter your perception of where it's prudent to venture regardless of trailer weight. Good luck in your travels.
I expect my travels will be much constrained.