questions for a potential overland Tacoma build

Andrew_v949

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So there I was 10 1/2 years ago, a 22 year old snot nosed kid who's dream car at the time was a "lifted" white toyota tacoma. A few months and an auto trader ad later, my Ranger found a new home and a shiny new Taco found its new spot in the driveway. It rode like ********, never touched dirt unless I it really had to, got washed every week and its oil changed every 3000 miles. That lasted about 6 months. A few years later I had it paid off, and as the miles clicked off, the washes got more infrequent, and my needs began to change...I found myself a couple years ago starting to dream of a new ultimate vehicle. Don't get me wrong, its not like I all the sudden found a new found love for wheeling or anything. I just found myself racing motorcycles and traveling a lot more...and the lovely lady and I took up camping at our great country's various national parks. I then decided that my new ultimate vehicle was going to be a 4x4 sprinter. The more I ran the numbers, the more I realized that a sprinter wasn't practically going to be in the cards. When Ford came out with their Transit, my hopes were renewed but alas, after running the numbers...it just wasn't going to be worth reacquiring a $450 payment again. Not to mention that my Tacoma has ran great from day 1 and has never given me any grief.

To somewhat fullfill my camping and moto needs, I bought a 3 rail to tow behind my truck and a truck tent to set up in the back. We've used it a lot, and its nice...but its still a little too rough when we're in Zion or Grand Canyon and its in the teen's. I was starting to run the numbers on a van again last week when my babe showed me a picture she saw on that instagram site. It was John Burts tacoma. She asked me if I could do something like this with my truck, and I said sure...all its gonna take is some $$$. Since then I have been frantically reading threads on taco builds, hanging on every word posted, day dreaming how I could make this a reality. But here's my condundrum. A lot of this is a foreign language to me. If someone was to ask me about KTM 2T's, I'd be able to tell them anything they wanted in great detail followed up with a Mic drop at the end. But trucks aren't dirtbikes. I'm slowly finding out that there's waaaaaaaaaaaay more to it than I thought. And the worst part is I have no clue what I need and worse yet....I don't even know what I don't know. I am very well versed with how forums work, so I'm sure I'll get a couple dudes that will post a link to either a google search function, or if they're crafty...the search button for this site. Been there, done that :bike_rider: But like the moto sites that I'm used to, I'm hoping that the advice and knowledge eventually finds its way into this thread and floods my mind with ideas and understanding :sombrero:.


Soooo...a little about me and what I'm looking to do. First and foremost, this truck has 240,00 miles on it. My first order of business is to get it a clean bill of health before I make 1 more step. I know for sure I'm gonna need new front axles. My CV boots have been torn for a while now. And while I'm pretty good at keeping them grease...which means I'm pretty good at making sure the underside of my truck gets splattered with a fresh coat of grease monthly; I know its just about the same amount of work to replace axles instead of just the boots. Drivabilty on road is key!! I commute to work 120 miles from San Diego to LA about 3 times a week. I literally spend 98% of my time at highway speeds. This truck has been my DD for 10 years and I'm hoping to get another 10 out of it. As the truck sits now, its as capable as I have ever, and will ever need it. I'm not a wheeler the least bit... and although I think its cool, its something I would much rather enjoy in the passenger seat of someone else's rig while they break their stuff. To devulge a little bit more on this topic, if I was to come to rocks in the middle of the road, I will 10 times out of 10 look for an easier away around it. I'm as likely to willingly go find a hill or a shelf to play on to see if my truck can hack it as I am likely to balance my onside front wheel ever so delicately on a rock to take a photo that is clearly staged...just to show you guys for the bazillinth time what a few feeble inches of articulation looks like. Not that I'm ashamed of my truck the least bit. I just equate it to having the Irish curse....Its something I just live with and hope it doesn't come up :eek:. Fire roads are my main path of offroad travel, and the technical section on the road up to coyote flats is about as technical as I'll ever do. Its not that I'm scared. Its just that I really don't have much to prove....especially if it might cost me $$$ if I fail. If in the off chance that I feel the need to prove my manliness to myself, I'll just do back to back jazzersize sessions. That's how I roll :luxhello:

I actually prefer the look of the flippac to the AT habitat, but as I did my research I learned that they have major issue with torsion bar failures. And now that the manufacturer is defunct, the option is pretty much off the table. So it looks like I'll be going with the Habitat. With that, I'm sure I'll have to upgrade my suspension components...which is long overdue anyways because I haven't done a single thing to the suspension or that crappy dealer-installed revtec lift since I got it. I might be able to get away with the front as is for a bit, but I know my rear is going to need work. My biggest consideration is getting something that will be able to handle the weight. In addition to the habitat, camping gear...and down the road a new bumper and tire swing out, I'll be towing a 3 rail or having a hitch-mounted bike carrier dangling off the side. I read a lot about guys getting custom leaf pacs made but I'm thinking maybe airbags would be best being that I'm not always going to have a bike and camping gear in the back of my truck. Once again, I'm not neccesarily looking for something that will be awesome off road. Just something that is well priced, will support the weight, and relatively "set it and forget it". I've been used to getting bounced around for 10 years with my current crappy spacer kit, so although a good ride would be a nice reprieve to my current situation, comfort is very low on my priority list suspension-wise.


Another hickup I know I will run into is power. I have just the standard SR5 model, so I have no power in the back. I'm reading about guys doing dual batteries. What's the best way to go about this condundrum and does anyone make a kit that is pretty straight forward to install. Cheap would be good too :D.

I've been running 265/75R16's for as long as I can remember. No complaints whatsoever...but then again, ignorance is bliss. I'm reading that I might be leaving some MPG on the table with that tire and I might be better off with a 285 or 255 combo. Someone please give me a down and dirty comparison on these choices and what I would need (lift wise) to accomodate said choices. FWIW, I think I have a 2 1/2'' leveling kit on my rig right now, and I'm fine with the ride height. But if it makes sense I might lift it a little more if I have to upgrade my suspension components anyways.

A front bumper and a rear bumper w/tire swingout down the road would be nice. But in all honesty if I got as far as a clean bill of health, cheap paint job, AT habitat, upgraded suspension and tires..I would consider that a big mark in the "W' column. But while we're at it, throw some reccomendations my way.


When it comes to my wrenching skills, I'm pretty good with bikes and have just basic knowledge when it comes to vehicles. Not sure where this puts me. Probably somewhere between "1 step above retarded" and "teachable" :smilies27.


The main reason that I'm starting this thread is to learn what I'm getting into and how much I can count on spending before I take another step, and hopefully gaining some knowledge from you fine folks. Thanks in advance for all your responses, and if any of ya'll got a line on some good used parts....lemme know :)
 

jgilbreath

Observer
I am all for built tacomas. But, that does not sound like something you would want to dd. As an alternative, what about a teardrop with a platform on the front for your dirt bikes? The little guy 6 wide sport looks like it could hold two bikes. This route you could leave camp set up and still use the truck. Storing the trailer when not in use might not work for your situation though. Instead of putting 10-15k onto a truck with 240k miles it might be better to put that money into the trailer setup. Either way i would set aside some money for a nice suspension upgrade since you ate doing a lot of fire roads.
 

Andrew_v949

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I hear what you're saying. I already have a 3 rail and a compact 1 rail so I'm pretty well set up there. I've thought about those trailers before but I honestly don't like towing with my Tacoma. Its just underpowered to practically do anything but really light loads. I honestly don't know alot about suspension, my needs and where to start. I guess the point I was circling towards with my offroad needs is that I don't really need something that will articulate well, and it's not like I'll ever be blasting through the desert in my truck. Besides the occasional camping trip that requires me to access spots via fairly well maintained fire roads, the most I usually spend on fire roads at any given time is 5 miles tops. Any ca natives that have ridden or wheeled out in Johnson Valley know the kind of roads I'm talking about to access different places. I'm completely open to suggestions on anything because I literally know nothing.
 

crazysccrmd

Observer
You could tow a light teardrop with no problems. I've towed 3500lbs with my Tacoma without any issues other than lower gas mileage. The truck works slightly harder to get up hills but it's easily manageable without any aggressive pedal application.

For your purposes there's no need for the added weight of front and rear bumpers. That's just unnecessary weight. You could make it a really simple setup with a dual battery, fridge, bed rack and roof top tent. That will save a significant amount of weight and money. If you want covered bed storage put a cap on and mount the RTT on top of that. Add an annex for the tent and a Foxwing awning (maybe even sidewalls) and you'll have a lot of covered area to relax in camp.

Dual battery made easy.
https://www.offgrid4x4.com/collecti...products/2nd-3rd-gen-toyota-tacoma-wiring-kit

This suspension would work well for your needs. Fresh components all around with a heavier duty rear leaf pack to support the added weight.
http://www.headstrongoffroad.com/st..._Emu_Kit_w/_Dakar_Leaf_Pack_-_05__Tacoma.html


Obviously this isn't a Tacoma but the same idea would work .

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screwball48

Explorer
You mentioned that you are not a big fan of towing with your tacoma due to the lack of power. Look at it this way, you could buy a nice smaller toy hauler that would carry your bikes once or twice a month and you could then sleep in it. Or you could keep your three rail trailer and buy a Habitat. The catch with having the Habitat is that is an increased weight on your underpowered truck you will deal with every day. Plus when you tow your three rail it will put an even bigger drag on your truck due to it handling the Habitat. With the toy hauler you only have the added weight/drag when you are taking the trailer.


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Andrew_v949

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Thank you very much for the replies and feedback guys. Good stuff :)


You could tow a light teardrop with no problems. I've towed 3500lbs with my Tacoma without any issues other than lower gas mileage. The truck works slightly harder to get up hills but it's easily manageable without any aggressive pedal application.

For your purposes there's no need for the added weight of front and rear bumpers. That's just unnecessary weight. You could make it a really simple setup with a dual battery, fridge, bed rack and roof top tent. That will save a significant amount of weight and money. If you want covered bed storage put a cap on and mount the RTT on top of that. Add an annex for the tent and a Foxwing awning (maybe even sidewalls) and you'll have a lot of covered area to relax in camp.

Dual battery made easy.
https://www.offgrid4x4.com/collecti...products/2nd-3rd-gen-toyota-tacoma-wiring-kit

This suspension would work well for your needs. Fresh components all around with a heavier duty rear leaf pack to support the added weight.
http://www.headstrongoffroad.com/st..._Emu_Kit_w/_Dakar_Leaf_Pack_-_05__Tacoma.html


Obviously this isn't a Tacoma but the same idea would work .

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I 100% agree with you that a front bumper and a rear bumper are overkill for my needs. If I did this, it would be my last mod. If I got the habitat/flippac route, I could see the rear tire carrier/bumper being advantageous only for the faact that I could get one to incorporate a cooking setup much like john burtt and the AT habitat dudes. The one...well 2 glaring problems I see with a tear drop setup is that I would most likely have to load my bikes in the back of my truck anyways when I'm going to the races and/or moto-camping, thus rendering any aerodynamic advantages useless...and the other thing that I don't know how well those things would do being towed along washboard fire roads in the desert or camping in the mountains. What is their off road capability and durability like?

I do also agree that bar-none the easiest solution would be what you said with the bed rack and roof top tent. Economical and no extra weight for DD unless I choose to pack it. Are those bed racks pretty much permanently mounted in the bed? And if so, what is their vertical clearance like. I'm wondering if I can put bikes in the back while in place.

Admittedly, a big attraction for the Flippac/Habitat is that you're relatively self-contained. Minimum setup and take down is needed to be in business. And while we're only talking a difference in 10 minutes between setup time...this could be the difference in comfortably doing bad-weather off the grid camping with a significant other. However like you mentioned, taking on one of these setups is a burden I'll have to bear all of the time. I am hearing mixed reviews on just how much these will wreck your mpg. Some say a lot. Some say its barely noticeable. That's where I'm wondering if there's easy things I can do to make it more or less a push by upgrading intake and exhaust, changing different tire sizes, adding a wind deflector ect. I honestly don't know. One thing is for sure though that they look pretty damn cool regardless :coffeedrink:

You mentioned that you are not a big fan of towing with your tacoma due to the lack of power. Look at it this way, you could buy a nice smaller toy hauler that would carry your bikes once or twice a month and you could then sleep in it. Or you could keep your three rail trailer and buy a Habitat. The catch with having the Habitat is that is an increased weight on your underpowered truck you will deal with every day. Plus when you tow your three rail it will put an even bigger drag on your truck due to it handling the Habitat. With the toy hauler you only have the added weight/drag when you are taking the trailer.


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The only disadvantage that I see with getting an ultralight hauler, is that I'm gonna have to tow it long distances to go to the desert, mountains and national parks. And I'm not sure of their prowess in conditions where I might need some light 4wd be it snow, sand or as much as I would try to avoid it...light rock duty lol. And "offroad camping" is something my girl seems very interested in...and not only is this awesome but this is a very important seed that's been planted and needs to be watered correctly. Day to day there's no denying that these downsides won't affect me one bit.



Please, please keep the ideas and insight coming fellas. You have no idea how much this is helping me
 

screwball48

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Something like this trailer may work for you. RTT on the upper rack with plenty of room for bikes below. Shouldn't weigh too much more than a three rail bike trailer does.

Edit: found the pic I was looking for.

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kalieaire

Observer
stick with stock tires, KO2s are probably the best for fuel economy since they give you a combo between snow/ice/dirt road/on road capability. The issue you might run into is how much weight you put into your truck. E rated tires vs D rated tires, their weight capacity matters.

As for light upgrades here's the list:



  1. Bilstein 5100s, get them used with 1-2 years of use max from someone who mall crawls to guarantee they're good.
  2. Upgraded coils, someone might sell you upgraded coils to go with them for the front, then you won't have to do any work except unbolt the old ones and bolt in the new ones
  3. Upper Control Arms will help for front alignment
  4. Rear, Upgrade with appropriate leaf springs. If you're on TSB Springs, try an add-a-leaf. You should be able to get that really cheap and a set of OEM Leaf springs for really cheap or really from from fellow Tacoma World members in socal.
  5. If the OEM Leafs with add-a-leaf doesn't work, get someone's dakars and throw an add-a-leaf on those
  6. Get Sliders, get them burned on. They're good as a side step, or if there's someone in the parking lot opening the door, they'll open the their door into the slider instead of your truck. And they're good to keep the cab safe in case you drive into snow at the edge of the road and don't know there's a big boulder underneath.
  7. Habitat is great, there are other choices. Find your closest wood distributor and get some baltic birch and build your own cabinets. TacoDoc's extensive writeup is here on this forum.
  8. Barlowrs' for refinements here
  9. With the billys, the sliders, and stock tires, you'll be able to go to everything you want to go to.
  10. Get some chains for the rear in case you encounter ice

You won't need anything else really.

My build is going to be excessive because I cook a lot and I don't like compromises. Yours shouldn't have as many problems as mine so don't sweat it. And the habitat isn't the only option out there, you can always get a custom build from a custom camper company like the link above.
 
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Clutch

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Have a Wildernest on my 1st gen, and 5X8 trailer, it tows it just fine. Suspension is Camburg 2.5's up front and Old Man Emu HD's/Nitro chargers in the rear. I don't like built in storage...so I use storage containers and a chuck box for the kitchen...since I either cook on the tailgate, a table, or even on the mototrailer.

Have a whole $700 into the Wildernest, and they are a bit more aero when closed than the FlipPac or Habitat. Not sure if you have a 1st or 2nd Tacoma, they'll work on 2nd gens too with a little modification. https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/wildernest-camper-canopy.325755/

For the price of 1 Habitat at $10,000 when everything is said and done, I could of bought 14 Wildernests...that or use the $9,300 I saved for fuel and Tacos! :sombrero:

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Cycra folding bike stand makes a great cooler stand too...packs small

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5X8 seems about the right size trailer for what I do...your 3 rail should be similar.

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kalieaire

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Wildernest went out of businesses ages ago, unfortunately that's not really a commercially viable solution for Andrew unless he gets lucky finding an old one that has no issues w/ it.
 

Clutch

<---Pass
Wildernest went out of businesses ages ago, unfortunately that's not really a commercially viable solution for Andrew unless he gets lucky finding an old one that has no issues w/ it.

I know, I have had 2 of them. Just have to be a little patient...they come up for sale often on CL. I see a bunch on Search Tempest right now...just need to be willing to drive, which this is a forum about travel, is it not!? ;) :)

$10K for a Habitat...or with a little patience...you can save yourself a wad of cash. Canavas Replacements can sew you up a new tent for around $1100.

http://www.canvasreplacements.com/


If the OP doesn't mind a little elbow grease, spare parts info here: http://forum.expeditionportal.com/threads/4338-Wildernest-Spare-Parts-Info

Mine was in pretty good shape, paid $600 for it...another $100 for stainless hinges and a new bulb seal, done. Will get a new tent sew up when the time comes.

I was getting ready to do a RTT on my trailer, but found another Wildernest instead...like that better since I don't always take my bike. If I don't have to take the trailer I won't.
 
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Andrew_v949

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Those wildernests are bad ***!! That would be the best and most economical option for me. And I'm like you, my bike doesnt come everywhere I go when camping. What does one of those things weigh by chance?
 

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