Ram 3500 with 6.4L Hemi or not?

BenHedrick

Adventurer
Interesting reading here. I too drive a '04 2500HD LLY Duramax Chevy but have been "considering" a new Chevy/GMC or a Dodge RAM. I really just "assumed" I would get the diesel again, but hearing from other new diesel owners, reading this thread and considering the huge hit upfront for the diesel engine, I am now leaning more towards the 6.4L HEMI (or gas).

Thanks for the education!

Ben
 

NorCalHawk

Explorer
Thank you all of you for your comments, advise and suggestions. Your knowledge and expertise is much appreciated. You validated some points and concerns I had, and educated me along the way. I have a few more areas to investigate before pulling the trigger. Most of you with the 6.4L hemi may know this already about fuel requirements, which I have read conflicting recommendations for. That said, last night I read in the Owner's Manual for the, 2016 Ram 2500/3500 with the 6.4L Hemi engine, that fuel recommendations is set at 87-89 octane and "not" 91 premium unleaded. This is one less obstacle I need to be concerned with now.

Thanks again to all.
 

BBBurban

New member
The only thing I can add is from my experience working at a Chrysler store, gasser 3500's aren't common, at least they weren't in Texas, so you might have to be prepared to wait for the exact one you want.
 

sdwhip

Observer
The only thing I can add is from my experience working at a Chrysler store, gasser 3500's aren't common, at least they weren't in Texas, so you might have to be prepared to wait for the exact one you want.

Gas powered 3500 weren't available until the 6.4 came out so that should change availability a bit. I know the Cab and Chassis 3500 had the 5.7 and back when the V10 was available you get them but that ended in 03 I think to no need in pointing anything out there since we are talking 4th gen trucks anyway.

To the original post, most points have been made but I wanted to throw my vote for a 3500, 6.4, 4.10 combo. I am a diesel fan but for your use that combo will suit you just fine and as well as being the most cost effective. Being that the truck will be loaded all the time the 3500 makes the most sense and will ride well due to the weight. Fuel mileage "should" be the same or very close given that the drivetrain will be identical and I don't believe the overall weight difference is that much different between the 2500 and 3500.
 

NorCalHawk

Explorer
Although the CTD and 6.4L gas engines are fine pieces of machinery, it still seems to me the gas is best suited for my needs. No serious towing, but only hauling my (2000# plus) camper 24/7. This is why I lean toward the 3500 for added payload, and structural strength and longevity. Gas engines are lasting longer than ever and the MPG between diesel and gas engines are not that different as well.
 

Halligan

Adventurer
In my are I've seen a bing swing in what Ram Dealers are ordering for engines in there dealer stock vehicles. It used to be the 2500's were about 50/50 gas vs. diesel and 3500's were almost always diesel. Now it seems the 6.4 is the norm with an occasional diesel. The $8,000 diesel up charge is a big nut to swallow especially considering the high probability you'll be visiting your service department with some emission related bullcrap within the first 50,000 miles.
 

RoyJ

Adventurer
This is why I lean toward the 3500 for added payload, and structural strength and longevity. Gas engines are lasting longer than ever and the MPG between diesel and gas engines are not that different as well.

The 3500 would add payload for sure, but in terms of chassis strength and longevity, the 2500 vs 3500 is absolutely equal. They share the same 50ksi fully boxed frame (which for the intended purposes is overbuilt), and the same giant 11.5" AAM rear axle (previously used on the diesel / dually). There're slight differences in rear shock mounting points, to accommodate the coil vs leaf spring, but otherwise you can't go wrong with either model for strength.
 

RoyJ

Adventurer
There're lots of concerns regarding the 2500's coil spring, most are based on hearsay "nothing but a grocery getter!" Let's not forget armored HMMWVs weight 12,000 lbs and are coil sprung. Many heavy missile trucks use coils. There's nothing inherently weak about a coil spring - I can design one that'll support a nuclear reactor.

Enough talk, I'd like to share some real world data on just how good the coil sprung 2500's payload is. The following images are from "ib516" on RV.net. I consider him one of the pioneers of the coil sprung, 6.4L 2500, that wasn't afraid of using it as intended: hauling a heavy 5th wheel with heavy pin weight.

He hitched up a 40' 5th wheel, with ~2500 lbs pin weight, on both a leaf sprung 3500, and his own 2500, and measure the suspension droop.

3500 SRW Cummins, 42.75" unloaded height:

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Loaded height, 40.25" sag: 2.50"

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2500 6.4 Hemi, 43.25" unloaded height:

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Loaded height, 40.75" sag is, SURPRISE! 2.50"

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What this shows is contrary to popular belief, or assumption, the coil sprung 2500 is a highly capable truck. It offers payload greater than pre-2014 leaf sprung 2500, and does it with better ride and handling.

Does it have its limit? Of course, I'm sure if you put 4000 lbs in the bed, it'll sag drastically more than the 3500. But that's well outside of its designed payload (3000 lbs).

NorCalHawk, do you intend on carrying additional gear past the 2000 lbs camper? Dirt bike, motorcycle, heavy armor and winch, heavy water loads, etc? If so, and you feel you'll be approaching the 3000 lbs payload, then by all means, a 3500 may be a better choice.

Otherwise, if you think your total load is closer to 2500 lbs like the 5th wheel above, then for all intended purposes a 3500 and 2500 have similar amounts of suspension sag. Hope that helps!
 

drewactual

Adventurer
I'll tell you one thing with a certainty... that coiled rear axle isn't a threat to wrap like the leaved one... the leaved one attaches the axle to the frame in the traditional four places- at the shackles... that wiz bang coil set-up is complete with what serves basically as ladder bars (attaches to frame in two distinct places per side as opposed to traction bars which attaches in one per side), sway, and a panhard rod... it's friggin' overbuilt in a way that folks like us like...

if'n you don't figure axle wrap to be a real problem, then you ain't been drivin' with enough available power- and gawd help you if you have a load on that axle with enough power to make the pinion look like it's looking to the heavens..
 

Stroked 550

Adventurer
my vote is for the Cummins

I have a 2013 2500 with the CTD she gets 18 mpg on the highway and I like having the exhaust brake to slow me down.
I have over 60k miles on her so far, just replaced the front brakes @ 60k miles I think thats pretty good.
 

NorCalHawk

Explorer
Thank you everybody. Pulled the trigger a few days ago and this is what I ordered: 2016 Ram 3500 Big Horn, 6.4L with 4.10 ratio. However, on hold now due to the fact, Ram will not accept my 4.10 (option) request on my dealer's computer??? Only allows 3.73...this is insane! Now I've been on line searching the Ram site and there are some (few) trucks available with 4.10's along with other options, but in the Tradesman trim. Which is not a bad thing, "plain and simple" I did the Big Horn for a few thousand$ more, so what the heck. I hope this is just a temporary glitch in the online ordering system. Checking again today. If not, I will look at the already built Tradesman(s) with 4.10's out there.
Always something, haha!!
 

OR2BAJA

Observer
Diesel all the way. If I could have a toy it would be the same build out off road wise with a supercharged forged hemi.
 

p nut

butter
Thank you everybody. Pulled the trigger a few days ago and this is what I ordered: 2016 Ram 3500 Big Horn, 6.4L with 4.10 ratio. However, on hold now due to the fact, Ram will not accept my 4.10 (option) request on my dealer's computer??? Only allows 3.73...this is insane! Now I've been on line searching the Ram site and there are some (few) trucks available with 4.10's along with other options, but in the Tradesman trim. Which is not a bad thing, "plain and simple" I did the Big Horn for a few thousand$ more, so what the heck. I hope this is just a temporary glitch in the online ordering system. Checking again today. If not, I will look at the already built Tradesman(s) with 4.10's out there.
Always something, haha!!

Congrats and hope it goes through ok. You made the right call with the 6.4. It will be a great truck for you.
 

driller

old soul wanderer
awesome, mine is the 2500 with 6.4L and 3.73 and I love the truck. Might look at Dennis Dillion in Idaho. They might have what your looking for in stock.
 

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