Rambling questions about moving to the fat bike world

fortel

Adventurer
As the organizer of the launch of the Bucksaw, and having the opportunity to take it to Iceland long before the hit dealers, I am a sucker for that bike. I do love it, an it is a perfect platform for the OP's unique needs. But, it is spendy.

http://expeditionportal.com/salsa-bucksaw/

Riding it the morning, as I do most days, I almost had to laugh out loud its so much fun.

Thanks for the reply Christophe, hoping you would chime in. I know, I know ... my LBS is a Salsa dealer and I'd bring a Bucksaw home from them in a heartbeat if I found the money fairy living in a corner of the basement, but I looked and she ain't down there. Even the GX1 starts at about four times what I have available to spend.

But your last sentence, the one about fun, that's what I want back. Considering where I am right now, I think I can get back there on a $1,000 bike.
 

Christophe Noel

Expedition Leader
My only two cents I would add - it's easy to ask more of a fat tire than it can deliver. This is particularly true of ride compliance. While they are soft and squishy, they can also be bumpy and if over inflated and pushed to hard impact - damn violent on the rebound. This is all about tire pressure, and to some degree the quality of the tire. I find the 120tpi tires to be far more supple and compliant than the cheaper 60tpi tires. I also think the Bluto made fat tire riding way more comfortable. So I think you're headed in the right direction and your criteria can really be dialed down to being best paired to good tires, a Bluto, and a good quality parts spec.

The Bluto, though. You will want that.
 

p nut

butter
The other choice to consider is the new Surly Wednesday, which is similar to a Pugs but uses a symmetrical rear end and has a 44 headtube that will handle a Bluto or any other fork.

If I had $1,000 GIVE OR TAKE A FEW HUNDRED $, then the Wednesday is the bike I would choose. In my opinion, it has an *awesome* geometry. 69deg HTA, short chainstays equal fun singletrack riding. So if you want a mountain bike that handles like one, then Wednesday is it.

Pugsley mentioned above would work great as well.
 

fortel

Adventurer
OK folks, first of all many thanks to you who chimed in and gave me much needed info into this new-to-me segment of the biking world. The bike has been ordered, a Framed Minnesota 3.0 with the Bluto option. My wife knew how much I have missed riding off pavement and blessed me digging a little deeper to swing the Bluto option.

I know there are plenty of higher end bikes out there, but honestly this bike is spec'd pretty decently for the money and I haven't found any bad reviews out there once price point is considered. X7 is a perfectly good middle of the road drive train. BB7s are what I've been running on my Stumpjumper after the horrible fiasco known as the Avid Elixers that it came with. There's room for a 4.7 tire front and back if I want to go bigger down the road. Fat-bike.com gave a good review to the 120 tpi Minnesota 4.0 tires it comes with. So all in all I think it will be a good choice for the unique situation I'm in. Can't wait for it to get here so I can put it in the stand and build it.

On a separate note, it felt strange ordering a bike online. I'm a big believer in supporting your LBS. I talked with the owner of mine (Salsa and Trek dealer) and he knew that I was looking for something that didn't quite fit what he carried or what he could get. He said the main thing was he wanted to see me back out in the woods on a bike. He knows when it comes to accessories, parts, etc. I will be buying from him. Still, I'm gonna be buying him a six-pack.

Thanks again to all who shared their knowledge of the fat world with me.
 

Co-opski

Expedition Leader
You know you cannot keep us hanging and will have to post pictures and a ride report when it comes in. Bring a pump with you and dial in the psi as well as look into setting it up tubeless, if you want a smooth rolling ride. I went split tube on my wheels but lots of options out there.
 

fortel

Adventurer
Will do, should be in first of next week and I'll put it in the stand to build asap.

I'm sure the first few rides will be largely about finding the right psi range. Sounds like starting around 12 to 14 and adjusting from there might be the best starting point for hard, dry singletrack.

The only other guy riding a fatbike in town right now is on a Pugsley and he is running the split tube tubeless set up. I'm sure I'll ride with tubes to start and then see about tubeless once I'm more settled into the bike.
 

fortel

Adventurer
I'll check that article out when I get a minute. I already have a shock pump and run a Reba on my Stumpjumper so the Bluto shouldn't be too hard to learn. May take a little back and forth to match the Bluto settings and the tire psi so that they play nice together. I'll probably carry the shock pump and a tire guage on the first few rides so I can adjust if anything seems wacked out.

I'll most likely start with the Bluto's suggested settings for my weight (178lbs) and tires at 12-14 psi and see how that works, then adjust from there. If anyone thinks that's way off and that I should start somewhere different please chime in.

I'll pick up the bike from the local UPS tomorrow - didn't want to risk the box disappearing from my porch before I got home from work.
 

Christophe Noel

Expedition Leader
You'll want those tires way below 12-14. That's pretty darn hard for a fat bike even in dry conditions. I tend to run 9-11 front/rear.
 

fortel

Adventurer
Christophe

Good to know. I'll start at 10psi. From what I've read and what's been shared here I figure it will take a few rides to dial in psi and Bluto settings. I pick it up from UPS after work today and hopefully will have time to build it tonight.
 

fortel

Adventurer
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It's home. I've got to do final adjustments on the BB7s tonight which won't take long and then deal with the handlebar length. The bars are over 4 inches wider than the bars on my Stumpjumper and feel way too wide. Plus the local trails have some pretty tight spots between trees. I'll take an inch off each side and see how that feels, can always go narrower if needed.

Initial thoughts ...

I'm pleased with the overall looks and feel of the bike. Welds are good (not Moots freakin' good but what else is), finish is well done, and everything straight and true. Kudos to Framed for how well the bike was packaged - seemed like half the build time was undoing the packaging - which resulted in no blemishes to anything in the box. Only minor nitpick - would be cool if the blue of the rims, seat post clamp, and headset spacers matched a little better. But that's nothing that will affect the ride, just minor cosmetics.

It was dark by the time I was done so only a few laps around the cul-de-sac. Starting with 10 psi in the tires and the Bluto is set according to the chart on the fork leg. Both may need tweaking once I start riding it for real, time will tell. The slacker head tube angle will take a little while to get used to but I think I am going to like it, seems like it will be very predictable. The front end of my 29er Stumpjumper is pretty twitchy and is one of the reasons with my vision issue I wanted something different.

Weather looks good tomorrow afternoon for a maiden voyage on some local singletrack.
 

reconmarine

New member
The short question is - do you guys already riding fat bikes have any experiences and opinions on Framed fat bikes?

The important and rambling path to the question is this - I'm looking for a fat bike with a budget cap of thousand bucks give or take a few dollars.

Please don't say save up for a better bike because budget constraints will not let that happen anytime in the next few years. I've got a kid fixing to hit college years, I'm paying for a set of braces, just added a teenage male driver to my insurance, the list goes on and on and on. Waiting just means more time without being on the trails on a bike.

I have basically been cut off from riding mountain bikes (current MTB is a Stumpjumper Comp hardtail 29er) due to the retina in my right eye detaching two different times over the last couple of years. Where that leaves me is with permanent damage in three different ways - field of vision partially distorted, a paralyzed pupil that no longer dialates/constricts with changing light conditions, and an eye that rapidly dries out when riding. WylieX sunglasses with the climate control gasket has adequately fixed the dry eye part. Here's what happens with the combination of the other two problems - imagine riding singletrack where going in and out of dappled shade/sunlight sets off a light show inside one eye and every root or rock visually moves just when you are setting your line. The few times I have tried riding my Stumpy this year have just ended up being a white knuckle stress session and I really don't want to take a header from crapping out on a line. It sucks that as a member of our local trailbuilding association, I'm not getting to ride the trails I spend so much time building and maintaining.

So why the fat bike? I have just been on one a couple of times but it was enough to see that going from the 2.4" tire which is the biggest I can fit on the Stumpy to a 4" or larger fat tire would give me the line-picking forgiveness to make getting back on the trails less stressful. My main ride right now is my cross bike but I really miss singletrack. And I'm 6 miles from one of the trailheads for the Katy Trail which, when covered with snow in the winter, gives me a fantastic riding opportunity when no one else is out.

I've been riding since '78 and understand the whole crap vs quality vs money balance but a $1,600 - $1,800 starting point just simply will not happen. So spending a lot of time over the last week looking a various offerings from the low end of the spectrum, I keep going back to Framed's Minnesota series, specifically the 2.2 or the 3.0 with rigid fork. I'd really prefer a Bluto up front, but that pushes me beyond the budget constraints. The 2.2 or 3.0 are reasonable spec'd for the price point and would give me a frame/wheelset combination ready for a direct Bluto swap without rebuilding the front wheel if money came available to do so later.

I've talked to a big shop in St. Louis that sells Framed and they say they are getting good feedback from customers who have bought them. Reviews generally seem good considering the price point. I know it wouldn't be a Blackborrow, much less a Bucksaw, but it would get me back in the woods on trails instead of pavement which would be a very good thing.

Feedback is appreciated, there's a great fall riding season coming up and I would like to be back on dirt.

We just purchased 2 Specialized Fat Bikes that were uses as rentals in Wisconsin. A couple scratches but everything else in perfect order. Price was $850 each which I believe is about half price. Also went to bike store in Dubuque, IA yesterday..they had a brand I have not heard of KHS....looked okay and priced at $999..
 

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