Re-tread tires

Fergie

Expedition Leader
Just a small update.

My Cruiser has been sitting for close to 3 weeks due to travel and also a bad sensor that was on order.

The temps ranged from -10 to the low 40s. When I drove the vehicle the other day, I didn't feel any flat spots in the tires and they hadnt lost any air.

Still doing well.
 

Buckshot62

Observer
Treadwright Tires

Update:
I was p.m.ed by Joel @Treadwright and informed to resubmit my warranty claim again(It didn't go thru and he saw my post on here!).Looks like we may have found a company that actually cares about customer service!(Fingers crossed waiting on reply)
 

JeepN95YJ

Adventurer
I ordered 265/70r16 Guard Dogs, load range D, yesterday. $429 shipped for 4 tires. Looking forward to receiving them and installing.

Tires arrived today. Scheduled to have them installed tomorrow.
 

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JeepN95YJ

Adventurer
Tires look nice. Ride great. They do have a "hum" that the MTRs didn't have when they were new, but they are much quieter than the roar the MTRs developed as they aged.
 

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biglos454

Adventurer
I bet the MT/R tread design on BFG A/T tire hulls will confuse the heck out some people:Wow1:

lol it can be pretty interesting. i have the MTR tread on BFG All terrain carcasses. i had most of my friends believing they were a new design for the BFG all terrain, and i recieved a set for road testing because i know someone who works for BFG. lol some actually still believe that after all these months.:elkgrin:
 

CYi5

Explorer
Red87's new MTR tread on Yokohama sidewalls. They looked pretty sweet to me, especially on the taco rims. The rubber was pretty soft from what I felt, so I understand the shortened tread life on these retreads. 265/75/16 Load Rating D.

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JeepN95YJ

Adventurer
Tires look nice. Ride great. They do have a "hum" that the MTRs didn't have when they were new, but they are much quieter than the roar the MTRs developed as they aged.

After 1000 miles I'd report they ride smooth. The "hum" is more of a "whine" and much louder than a BFG AT, MT or new Goodyear MTR. Annoying and reminds me of the Super Swamper TSLs I used to run on my YJ. Not as loud as a TSL but noticeable.

I'd also say the re-tread doesn't feel as "solid" as the MTR or BFG AT. The Jeep wanders in it's lane quite a bit. I am replacing the shocks this weekend. Maybe that will help.
 
After 1000 miles I'd report they ride smooth. The "hum" is more of a "whine" and much louder than a BFG AT, MT or new Goodyear MTR. Annoying and reminds me of the Super Swamper TSLs I used to run on my YJ. Not as loud as a TSL but noticeable.

I'd also say the re-tread doesn't feel as "solid" as the MTR or BFG AT. The Jeep wanders in it's lane quite a bit. I am replacing the shocks this weekend. Maybe that will help.

Interesting. Thank you for the thorough update. I'm curious to know, if over more time, you'd do it again; was it worth it? I'll stay tuned...
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TreadWright Warden Review

Okay, so I just couldn't take it anymore. I broke down last week and tossed down the dough for five TreadWright Wardens on BFG AT carcasses in a 265/75r16, non-Kedge and Class D. Paid $523 total to Arkansas... needless to say, at that price we're off to a great start. :)

Purchased via telephone on Feb 2. Shipped on Feb 5. Delivered on Feb 11.

Mounted today. The tech didn't even know they were retreads. Unless you know what you're looking for, or notice the small "TreadWright" written at the top edge of the sidewall, you'd prolly never notice, either.

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If you look closely, you can see the "blurry rubber" area on the sidewall where the old and new are fused.
Looks like curb rash if you didn't know otherwise.


So how did the tech learn they were retreads?! :mad:

...after about 20 minutes of trying to get the first tire to balance, he came over to me and said, "I think that tire's out of true. I can see it wobbling as it spins on the balancer." He invited me over to see for myself, and sure enough, it was wobbling like a peg-legged duck. It was like the tread was applied crooked; not square/perpendicular with the direction of spin. I was not happy. At that point, I told him to go ahead and do his best to finish the rest.

Eight ounces of weight on that wheel! :Wow1: Six on another. A 4.5 on the next. Two 2s on the final two. That's a LOT of weight. (As an aside, the Bridgestone A/T Revos that I just took off never took one outboard weight during their entire life. These new TreadWrights required weights all over the outside... looks like freakin' miniature beadlocks or something.) As for spin: two tires spun true to the eye, the other three had the wobble. He put one of the wobblers on the spare, and the other two wobblers in the rear. The fronts got the best two tires.

On the road, I immediately felt a difference. Although the B'stones were Class D also, these TWs feel a bit softer. Don't get me wrong, I kinda like it sometimes, as this Taco's still my DD and the plush ride is quite comfortable. But, the tires lack the responsive feedback of the 'Stones in the corners when I press into them. They're just soft. I'll decide how much I like/dislike this over more time in more conditions.

Noise is nominal. I can barely hear a very slight hum at highway speeds. Small enough change that it's almost not worth mentioning.

Speaking of highway speeds... I was a very worried about the wobbly tires. I thought for sure the truck would be all over the place. Well, up to the interstate I went, and ran it right up to 80mph. I must say, all concerns were placed to rest. I was very skeptical and immediately began looking/feeling/listening for something to dislike; I really had it in mind that I'd be calling the company tomorrow to "talk to a manager." But no, not too bad! :D Sure, they are not as smooth as my B'stones have been for the last few years, but then again, those 'Stone were more than 2x the price.

There is a noticeable vibration that wasn't there before. I feel it in the steering wheel. My daughter says she felt it in her seat, but I could not feel that vibration from the driver's seat. Under braking, they're straight and smooth. Coasting downhill in neutral at 70mph on smooth asphalt proved to be quiet with only a slight vibration. I would relate this vibration to that of a standard MT tread. Not an "Oh Shi---" vibration like a unbalanced wheel or bent driveshaft, just a sort of "mmmmmm" vibration.

For what I paid for these, I can totally live. I am generally pleased at the end of day one. I haven't done enough testing yet to recommend them or not.


EDIT FOR INTERSTATE, HIGHWAY, AND TRAIL REVIEW

Okay, so I've had them on for a few days now. I took a trip down to Hot Springs Sat morning. That gave me a chance to check the high-speed I-30 and the curvy, mountainous state Hwy 70. These new tires were at 34psi. (FYI: My B'stones stayed at 35.)

No problems at high speeds. No bothersome or worrisome vibration, no noticeable increase in noise, and no major defects like chunking or other. However, these tires are going to take some getting used to. The firm responsiveness of the B'stones made me feel much more secure while cornering at 50mph+. These TWs feel squishy and a little spongy in the turns. In the flats, they feel sort of twitchy, like I am having to put more feedback into keeping a straight line.

It's not a dangerous feeling, but I certainly feel like it takes more "driving" to control them. (For what it's worth, the B'stone Dueler A/T Revos I had were freaking amazing--as in, likely the best all-around tire I've ever owned kind of good. Any new tire has a tall order to fill. That said...)


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Droppin' pressure

Once I got off the highway, I took them down to 16psi. Remarkable on the trail. I blasted down improved USFS roads at 40mph plus with a cushy ride, flexed through rocky and rutted logging trails where the sidewalls were stressed under a fully-loaded Taco, I tried unsuccessfully to break the back end loose on snow pack multiple times, and I wallowed in mud just 'cause it was there. Wow, literally EVERYTHING I would expect from a new BFG AT KO I got in spades from the TW Warden. I am not being compensated to say this.


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Sidewall deformation at 16psi.


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After close to 80 miles off-pavement, I stopped to air up before heading home. In an effort to overcome the sponginess I got the day prior, I took them to 38psi. Much better. I paid a small price in low-speed comfort--crossing some R/R tracks was more jarring than I am accustomed to--but, at higher speeds the tires feel much more stable. I will be keeping these TWs at or near 38 as long as they wear evenly by doing so.


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Snowy and very wet mtn roads were no prob as far as traction was concerned.

After the trip I gave each tire a thorough once-over. All good. No visible damage after two long days pushing them.

I will continue to edit this post and provide more feedback from time-to-time. I know many of you are on the fence regarding TW tires, and I want y'all to know my story.

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Post-install. Lovin' the 1" taller tire!


Hope this helps.
 
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roninjiro

Explorer
funny you say that. had the same problem with one of my retreads. except i found out maybe a month later by someone that was following me somewhere. they told me that my driver rear was wobbling, and i jacked it up and sure enough the tread wasn't fused true to the carcass. besides that the other three are true, and i haven't had a problem with the wobbly one. about the balancing thing, i wouldn't know because i use centramatic wheel balancers on all 4. i get a nice even hum on the highway and no handling or additional vibrations. so far so good for me
 

roninjiro

Explorer
yes definitely. it is very relaxing to know the tires always wear even and always stay balanced. at first you will notice the beads they use in the ring when you start to move or come to a stop... but after a few days you get used to it. you will only hear the balancers with the windows down and in quiet places.

the reason why i went and spent the cash on it was because my father is a over the road owner operator and swears by them. after my use i can too. it is just the intial cost that scares you. the way i seen it, it will pay for it's self in tire longivity (which is true in my case).

the company is based out of alvarado,tx btw
 

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