SAS for expedition tacoma?

Winky

Adventurer
Kermit said:
If IFS is so weak, then why do most of the Trophy Trucks, Class 1 Buggies, and Truggies...run IFS? I know most of them aren't 4WD, but, can reach speeds excessing over 150 mph.

This video is a fine example of the pounding their IFS can handle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dnOWRkIEDI&mode=related&search=

It's all about what kind of wheeling you do... since I do like to ride trails rubicon...moab..etc.. SA is just better. How many trail rigs do you see with IFS? My main obstacle is makeing it street worthy for long expeditions so I can drive cross country and still wheel with the best of them and get home... Illinois is exactly close to any of the hot spots... I drive cross country to get anywhere.
cheers
Josh
P.S. I think some people are taking this personally. I'm not saying IFS is worthless.. it has its place. I'M NOT BASHING IFS.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
jjwinky said:
How many trail rigs do you see with IFS?
Yeah, probably not many 'hard core' ones. No argument that a live axle is better for rock crawling. But slightly modified FJ Cruisers did tons of highway miles and still drove the trails at Rubithon, Cruise Moab and BHCC last year. The Trail Teams trucks were running stock suspension and drivetrains, they did have some, uh, non-stock protection (beyond the ARB bumpers) to address issues. Nothing crazy, but well placed skid plates that Toyota didn't put in place were needed. But none-the-less, they weren't outfitted with anything too exotic and they were tackling 4+ trails using the truck you'd buy from the dealer with just BFG ATs on them. I got to watch the FJCs at the Spike last year, pretty capable little trucks out of the box. They lack ground clearance, 'bout it. They are not hard core rock crawlers, but I guess what I'm saying is I think the idea of an expedition vehicle is really open to your personal interpretation. I don't necessarily think of a truck that can tackle Pritchett Canyon as an expedition vehicle, even if it can drive there itself. I see a truck that can carry lots of junk over long miles and still not get stuck getting to the destination as an expedition truck. The pursuit is getting someplace, not in the obstacle itself. What each person's vision of the right truck is different, I dunno.
 

Winky

Adventurer
Just as I don't think because a vehicle that can tackle Pritchett canyon means it has to be a hardcore wheeler. I still don't get what all the fight is about. I want to build a well rounded vehicle. I prefer SFA for capability and simplicity. My build objective is to convert a 'newer' (01-04) taco into a vehicle capable of extreme trails while still ride in comfort on long trips to the baja.. alaska... or anywhere else I want to go. I see going to a SFA as the best way to acomplish this.. Getting their is the obstacle in most expedition travels... whether THERE is a remote lake or camping spot... or up the side of a mountain... I want to be able to do it all. Let's start converting old fj-40s or 80s.. or jeeps to IFS as it appears SA is to 'hardcore' for expedition travel.
 

Westy

Adventurer
Pritchett and an FJ

Speaking of FJs and Moab...

A few weekends ago I ran Pritchett and we had an FJ Cruiser on 285 MTR's with us. He made it through with zero damage. Of course the strap and winch were used several times but those are impressive 4x4s to say the least. Pritchett is no joke either, especially this year.

Toyota did well once again...too bad it didnt include a 4:1 tcase option though.

Rock pile bypass...
12426d1180246113-moab-last-days-may-p1000840.jpg
 

Dirty Harry

Adventurer
Kermit said:
If IFS is so weak, then why do most of the Trophy Trucks, Class 1 Buggies, and Truggies...run IFS? I know most of them aren't 4WD, but, can reach speeds excessing over 150 mph.

Saying the IFS on a Tacoma is the same as what is run on Trophy Trucks is like saying that Rosie O'Donnell and Salma Hayek are both women. The really don't have that much in common. :)

I (like Crawler#976) have a truck that will do hardcore trails, and without a tow rig I originally hoped to set it up for something that could do everything. What I found was that it just isn't that easy to do. I am not saying that it is impossible, but my IFS 4Runner is WAY more comfortable on the pavement and dirt roads, and I would still feel confident taking it over Pritchett or the Rubicon. I don't see the small gain in capability worth the huge expense and loss in comfort from a solid front axle. But that is just my opinion.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
There is no one right solution. I think the discussion was about converting an IFS to a live axle. It is not simple and is not cheap. In an ideal world we'd all have the choice of vehicles and I'd guess about 100% of us would buy a HZJ78, Defender 110 or some other vehicle that's been proven. But we don't have that luxury. So to take something that works and works well, like a Taco, and go about redesigning it is not about reliability and simplicity. You will be looking for parts at 4 different stores, there is less scavenging parts from other trucks, you will be tweaking camber and castor angles, touching up broken welds. Scott, Chris and tons of other people here have taken Tacomas with a few changes and there is pretty much no where they won't go. I just think you've seen too many Petersen publications. There are stock SUVs and pickups going up 90% of all the trails in Colorado, even with open diffs, no lift and 31" tires. The rest have obstacle bypasses or you have to mostly go out of your way to find anyway. You asked the original question, people are just giving you opinions.
 

Westy

Adventurer
jjwinky said:
Just as I don't think because a vehicle that can tackle Pritchett canyon means it has to be a hardcore wheeler. I still don't get what all the fight is about. I want to build a well rounded vehicle. I prefer SFA for capability and simplicity. My build objective is to convert a 'newer' (01-04) taco into a vehicle capable of extreme trails while still ride in comfort on long trips to the baja.. alaska... or anywhere else I want to go. I see going to a SFA as the best way to acomplish this.. Getting their is the obstacle in most expedition travels... whether THERE is a remote lake or camping spot... or up the side of a mountain... I want to be able to do it all. Let's start converting old fj-40s or 80s.. or jeeps to IFS as it appears SA is to 'hardcore' for expedition travel.

I think you have a good plan. Nothing wrong with a solid axle expedition vehicle. Heck, I've seen desert trucks built with solid axles...anything is possible. A coil sprung, or coilover SAS would give you the best of both worlds. The debate between IFS and solid axle is never ending...everyone has their own needs and preferences. Personally I prefer the solid axle as well for the strength it offers not only in the axles but the steering as well.
 

Winky

Adventurer
DaveInDenver said:
There is no one right solution. I think the discussion was about converting an IFS to a live axle. It is not simple and is not cheap. In an ideal world we'd all have the choice of vehicles and I'd guess about 100% of us would buy a HZJ78, Defender 110 or some other vehicle that's been proven. But we don't have that luxury. So to take something that works and works well, like a Taco, and go about redesigning it is not about reliability and simplicity. You will be looking for parts at 4 different stores, there is less scavenging parts from other trucks, you will be tweaking camber and castor angles, touching up broken welds. Scott, Chris and tons of other people here have taken Tacomas with a few changes and there is pretty much no where they won't go. I just think you've seen too many Petersen publications. There are stock SUVs and pickups going up 90% of all the trails in Colorado, even with open diffs, no lift and 31" tires. The rest have obstacle bypasses or you have to mostly go out of your way to find anyway. You asked the original question, people are just giving you opinions.

Take it easy here bud. Different strokes remember. I have no problem with a challenge.. life is a series of challenges... no need to question my intentions with a public comment like 'read to many petersens magazines'. BTW I don't subscribe to any Petersens publications... I'm more of a A4WDMonthly guy...
Josh
 
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Winky

Adventurer
Westy said:
Rock pile bypass...
12426d1180246113-moab-last-days-may-p1000840.jpg

That's a great picture... got anymore? I test drove an FJ not too long ago and really liked it... the blind spot was a bit annoying.. but definetly a well thought out vehicle.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
jjwinky said:
Take it easy here bud. Different strokes remember. I have no problem with a challenge.. life is a series of challenges... no need to question my intentions with a public comment like 'read to many petersens magazines'. BTW I don't subscribe to any Petersens publications... I'm more of a A4WDMonthly guy...
Josh
Hey now. :-/ That was is in very bad taste, I'm honestly sorry I said it. But it's like a lot of things, the majority of people are not like in the magazines and that wasn't meant to say anything but just because you see built rigs on the covers of stuff should not indicate that you /need/ that stuff. The bulk of people throw a set of ATs on, strap down the cooler and have a big old time. Us knuckleheads who throw money hand over fist at our trucks I really think are the ones who don't get it sometimes.
 
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