School me on Ford Super Duty

Pskhaat

2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
Some genuine questions:

F250 | F350 for an overland platform? Why?

I'm sorry but I have not to-date followed the diesel engine conversations. There is a 6.0, 6.4 & 7.3 &c but I hear various conversations about each pro/con. Can someone enlighten me with a narrative on this?
  • Any problems with the manual transmission?
  • Dual alternators stock, can one be added later?
  • PTO still an option?
  • Major changes in the years? ARB bars only look applicable for specific years. Wikipedia is a little light on important detail.
After watching jbrandon's full-size dodge do perfectly well this year at ET08, I'm back considering a truck.
 

Guinness44

Adventurer
My friend has all kinds of electrical gremlins in her Diesel excursion. Believe it was built the year before the last year came out. Also at the garage, there were a few points made: dont idle them for long. Use DieselKleen additifs.

Diesel rocks. Torque, almost no rpms, very safe to store/carry fuel. So what if one has to carry a sparefuelfilter (there is sure a spot in such a truck for that.)

I think the TDR people also run a powerstroke page. Check into that?
 

locrwln

Expedition Leader
You can go crosseyed reading everything you would ever want to know about SD's on

thedieselstop.com

powerstrokenation.com

Those will give you plenty of reading.

Now having said that. I have an '02, F350, PSD 7.3l, 6spd (manual),4x4, Crewcab, LWB, SRW. Size wise, it is not that good for serious overlanding, it's just too big.

Mine has hauled a 10' Lance cabover to the tip of Baja (3x), BC and almost every state between here and the Mississippi. I currently have about 73K miles on it, bought it new. I had some minor electrical problems when it was brand new, the guage cluster was replaced under warranty and one CPS, that is it for any mechanical problems.

I also tow a car trailer behind the cabover, used to haul my 4runner when I was into the rocks. I towed my 80 to Moab this year.

It can be a handful around town, but put a load on it and hit the road and it really comes into it's own.

For rough road type stuff, I would recommend a different suspension, mine is a 1 ton with leafs front and rear, and does a great job at hauling loads, but will beat you offroad.

Jack
 

4Rescue

Expedition Leader
The last gen with the 6.0L TD's were rockets but had issues with head studs and gaskets espesicaly when "tuned" with a plug and play computer deal. The 6-spd 7.3 combo would be great, those motors were alot better but not as much of a hotrod motor. I don't know much about the new navistar motor, but I've heard the first run had issues???

I drove an 05 for over a year working for my friend's landscape construction company. I liked driving it, good seating position, I like how you sit upright and your feet go down to the pedals. For long trips the quad cab was really nice and the thing rode really comfortable. They're long but honestly they're pretty easy to manuver. as was already said, when tyou hit the open road they really shine imo, the miles just go by alot easier with that big diesel and all that room/wheelbase. Compared to driving my 4Runner the same 500 miles, the SD was a dream on the highway, (yes I just dissed my toyota in a Frod thread, what has happened to me??? ;) )and imo suprisingly quiet.

Watch out for the front D-50 in the, I belive, 250's of some years, it's kind of a dog and has very little aftermarket support from what I understand.

Unlike the awful manual trannys of the Ranger with what I call one of the worst clutches in existence, the SD's manual trannys are nice to drive. I like driving stick so I'm biased, but the same frind replaced that 05 with a new 08 and I really don't care for an auto in those big trucks. I like the control of a manual espescialy when you're driving that beast around town. We wheeled it quite a few times both in the snow and mud and the rocks and honestly, it did pretty good. It's really long, but it felt solid and never left us stuck plus we always came home with alot of firewood in that huge bed ;)

another opinion of mine is that the new interior is just plain hideous... I liked the old plain janeish interior of the previous gen as well as the general exterior appearance. I'm not a fan of the giant tonka toy grill on the new ones.

Personaly, I'd rather have a Dodge with the Cummins in it, but Ford the Ford SD is my second favorite of the Domestic big-rigs.

I'm still kind of semi-hunting for an older F-350 crew cab, the boxy ones from the 90's for a rafting long-hauler. Here in the NW, they're everywhere and just blend right in leading to less of the wrong people wondering what's in the truck. I like the older body style too, pretty classis american iron to me, although I really liked the 05 I mentioned too. A simple leveling kit and some 35 old BFG MT's and it looked GREAT... it was white too so that didn't hurt.

that's my long-winded .02

Dave
 
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Pskhaat

2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
locrwln said:
...it is not that good for serious overlanding, it's just too big.

Can you comment more on this? I would normally agree with you but there are Mogs that have driven the World 'round much bigger than these?

With 5 o'erlanders both the 80 & 100 just can't take our stuff. 3rd row seats in use I can't put in drawers or a fridge or anything like that. Try packing clothing alone for 5 weeks (forget food, dog, stove, &c) for 5 people and...it just can't be done.

I'm kind of at a loss, thought about a trailer (that does wonders to the LC's speed and economy) but I'm wondering if I just shouldn't be thinking about being in a full-size.
 
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I had a 2000 F-350 Ext Cab Longbox 4x4. I loved that truck! I would get 16-20 mpg on the road. It had the auto transmission though so the manual would probably get a bit better. It was a biggun though... Kinda tough to drive around the metro. It was a stiff ride but the long wheelbase helped out and kept it under control. The room inside is great! If I was to do it again I'd try to find a 2002 to early 2003 F-250/350 Crew Cab with the 7.3L Powerstroke.

I guess the 2005 and up 6.0L trucks aren't that bad. Seems that Ford fixed some of the gremlins in the systems. I had the 7.3L Powerstroke in mine and it was a great engine.

I am now driving a 2003 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab 4x4 Cummins. It gets 22 mpg on the road if I'm nice to it. It is an auto truck. I've heard that the manual trucks will add 2-4 mpg. Dodge is not known for it's auto transmissions. The 6 speed trucks are virtually bulletproof though.
 

bat

Explorer
I think they are very comfortable to drive nice power lots of room for storage or family. I think the being to big for an overlander for me is not a problem it just makes it fun to drive. One thing to remember is some Super Duty stuff can only be used on a Super Duty you cannot interchange with other fords.

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4Rescue

Expedition Leader
olympiccop2002 said:
How about a Dodge MegaCab! That should hold your camping party just fine! :)

This one is nice...


That is also one nice truck, not as good of a hauler with the smaller bed, but I bet it's like a living room in there eh ;)


bat said:
I think they are very comfortable to drive nice power lots of room for storage or family. I think the being to big for an overlander for me is not a problem it just makes it fun to drive. One thing to remember is some Super Duty stuff can only be used on a Super Duty you cannot interchange with other fords.

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That is one cool looking truck Bat, me likey :victory:

Cheers

Dave
 

ntsqd

Heretic Car Camper
The Achilles Heel of the 7.3L PSD's was the Cam Position Sensor. Veteran Baja PSD drivers don't leave home w/o a spare.
At one time Cage Off Road was working on a Coil Spring/Radius Arm conversion for the front leaf sprung trucks. I've not talked to Jim in a couple months, no idea if that came to be or not. Would be worth asking him about it.
 

RocKrawler

Supporting Sponsor
olympiccop2002 said:
2005 is when Ford went to coils on the front suspension of Superduty 4x4 trucks.
Also when the plagued 6.0 hit & they are less reliable than the 7.3 - if you want to go into the middle of nowhere the 7.3 is definitely more reliable, the CPS is a $125 spare part that is way tiny to keep on hand, and leafs are generally more reliable than coils. There are coil conversions available, Fabtech has one, and adjustable air suspension conversions are also available. I personally chose this truck for many reasons mentioned here, comfortable, pulls and hauls anything, reliable and relatively inexpensive for what you get. Mine is an 01 F250 Crew Cab Short bed 4x4 single rear wheel with 7.3 Powerstroke and auto tranny. Another cool thing is tire size, 99-04 can fit a 33 stock, 35" with just front shackles or add-a-leaf leveling kit. If you want crazy then how about 38x15.5 with leveling kit and Bushwacker cutout flares, or 36x14.5 with just the cutout flares & zero lift. Gobs of clearance and hella stable, cant beat the combo. Keep in mind bigger tires are the only way you get clearance under the axles, and lift will make it more tippy unless you go wider (general rule of thumb is for every 1" up you go 1.5" out to keep the same center of gravity)

To back up the tire size statements with minimal lift & cutout fender flares, here is the leveling kit (2.5" lift) and 38.5's

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If you want bigger (not practical, but impressive) is 4.5" lift with 41x15.5's

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lastly, if you go for earlier gen try and get 03-04 because they have the stronger Dana 60 front, whereas the 02 & earlier had the Dana 50 front, all had the same rear axle.
 
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bat

Explorer
I agree the 6.0 had problems in the beginning but by 05-06 pretty much figured out. I myself think coil springs rides so much better then a leaf springs but I guess it depends on the setup, nice looking trucks.
 

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