Seeking input -- upcoming vehicle purchase

billiebob

Well-known member
Is overlanding in the mix and if so with option B the 4 cylinder car would be the overlander ?

If you buy the 4 cylinder car you might as well keep the Dakota
Your options are confusing. But an old pickup is an old pickup.
Dump the Dodge buy an F150 and keep the minivan
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
I'll jump in and echo what others are saying WRT mid-size vs. full size. Unless you drive in the big city a lot and/or have a small garage I can't see much reason to favor a mid size over a half ton. You have two kids, and kids have a funny way of growing. Before long, that "mid sized" truck is going to be absolutely full of people (you didn't mention if you have a dog) and even then, it's not going to be that comfortable.

The cab on my F-150 is absolutely cavernous. Not only that, unlike "mid size" or compact trucks, the crew cab in the F-150/F-250 (and I presume most other half tons as well) has a completely flat deck, IOW no big "transmission hump" taking up space. That makes it very convenient to put groceries or other small items in the cab (with the back seat flipped up) that would otherwise have to go in the bed.

I think the whole "buy an old truck and keep it running" idea is one that looks good on paper (or on the internet) but while it may be more beneficial in terms of actual $$ costs, there are non-monetary costs that you have to factor in, like when your transmission craps the bed in the middle of nowhere and now you have to (a) pay $200 for a tow to the nearest town (b) pay $3600 for a new transmission and (c) extend your vacation by two days and stay in a KOA while they fix the transmission.

And if that sounds oddly specific, there's a reason for that.

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(my favorite part of this is the t-shirt I picked out to wear that morning.)

In strict dollar terms, you are still ahead of the game on an old truck vs. a new one, but who wants to put up with that kind of possibility, especially when traveling with a family?
 

twodollars

Active member
Martinjmpr, you remind me of a cross country trip I made in a 2500 burb, the day after I completed a 454 to supercharged 6.5 swap. I literally wrenched my way across the usa. Funny in retrospect , painful at the time.
 

cbattles

Chris Battles
It doesn’t need to be. I’m sure you’ll see videos of a stock one going up hells get just like the sport.

That attitude is why they stopped making real SUV's.

And, just because you can doesn't mean that you should. They're clearly not built to withstand any kind of abuse.
 
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It’s always funny to see a jacked up 4Runner with all sorts of overloading gear bolted to it, way in the backcountry……parked next to a Kia Sportage.

Yep. Everywhere that I go hunting I end up parked next to a lifted 4x4... In my 2wd truck on street tires...lol.
 
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That attitude is why they stopped making real SUV's.

And, just because you can doesn't mean that you should. They're clearly not built to withstand any kind of abuse.

Lol... "Real SUVs" drink fuel, ride like crap, handle like crap, and can be difficult for some people to get in and out of. "Real SUVs" died because consumers started using common sense and bought what works for them....not what worked for someone else 30 years ago..lol.
 

Porkchopexpress

Well-known member
That's not a truck, that's a minivan with a bed.
With respect to the Maverick and upcoming Hyundai Santa Cruz, a lot of people complain about trucks getting too big and how no one makes a small truck anymore. With modern safety and emission standards in the US, a unibody is the only way to make a truck smaller than a Tacoma or Ranger. We are lucky manufacturers are listening and giving us options. We are also lucky to live in a capitalist country where we can choose how to spend our money, so if you don't like it, don't buy it.

Lol... "Real SUVs" drink fuel, ride like crap, handle like crap, and can be difficult for some people to get in and out of. "Real SUVs" died because consumers started using common sense and bought what works for them....not what worked for someone else 30 years ago..lol.

I like my body on frame 4runner and I expect it to last longer than an equivalent unibody. Even with KDSS and upgraded shocks it still doesn't handle like a Highlander or Explorer on the road but I voted with my wallet and accepted those compromises.
 
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I like my body on frame 4runner and I expect it to last longer than an equivalent unibody. Even with KDSS and upgraded shocks it still doesn't handle like a Highlander or Explorer on the road but I voted with my wallet and accepted those compromises.

My neighbor is on his 2nd Ridgeline. First one went about 350k before he sold it and bought his current one, that's at about 200k. He pulls a 6x12 enclosed trailer for work 5-6 days a week and travel trailer or boat on the weekends. He's had exactly 0 problems related to it being a unibody.

As for the Explorer... The Explorer ST is the fun one :)
 
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With respect to the Maverick and upcoming Hyundai Santa Cruz, a lot of people complain about trucks getting too big and how no one makes a small truck anymore. With modern safety and emission standards in the US, a unibody is the only way to make a truck smaller than a Tacoma or Ranger. We are lucky manufacturers are listening and giving us options. We are also lucky to live in a capitalist country where we can choose how to spend our money, so if you don't like it, don't buy it.

I agree 100% in fact... If it wasn't for an upcoming travel trailer purchase I'd probably be in something like a Ridgeline/Maverick/Santa Cruz.
 

caesAR15

New member
Some really good insights here. Thanks, everyone. The used vehicle market is bonkers right now (to state the obvious).

Been talking with the wife unit and for now the plan is to nurse the Dakota along for as long as possible. It needs new ball joints, so as much as it pains me to delay a "new" to me vehicle for a little while it makes sense to invest in this truck for the time being.

Our loose plan, for the time being, is to drive the Dakota, and if it has some sort of catastrophic failure (i.e. significant expense) to dump it for a small car and then purchase a respectable, likely full size, pick up a year or so from now, likely trading the car (if we end up needing it) in at that time.
 
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caesAR15

New member
Regarding the Maverick... I just discovered that about 4 days ago. I want to like it, but just can't bring myself to. Too effeminate looking for me -- maybe its' the unibody design? -- even if the top-end versions would check most of my boxes I just can't get there.

That said, I think Ford will sell a TON of them. I think there's a sizeable market of potential first-time truck buyers for whom the initial cost of even a Ranger or Tacoma is a significant barrier to entry.

I also think they're a great option for small size fleet trucks. 40mpg city?? Even if they fall short of that mark that's still remarkable MPG for something with the ability to haul several boxes of cargo around daily. I could pretty easily see someone like our parts guy from Fastenal who drives around all day and makes near-daily deliveries to our facility, or the underground utility marking guys who run all over the place in something like a Maverick.

I think they'll do well. And kudos to Ford for responding to the market demands.
 

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