show me your flex

Storz

Storz

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toyotech said:
if you have lockers, why does it matter if all 4 are on the ground.
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Or in the LR's case, a well engineered traction control system. My old stock Disco II surprised many naysayers on the trail.

But to stay on topic, here is a friend's Excursion getting flexy :)

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RMP&O

RMP&O

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Storz said:
Then why is a stock LR3 one of the better off road vehicles you can buy?
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Sorry but you are tripping! It is best in your mind and not a lot of others. The LR3 fails in dozens of ways and that is fact. In your world it may not be but that doesn't mean it is not full of fail. Just driving behind one and seeing that super lame low hanging rear exhaust mess is enough to give any person who knows half a rats tail about off-roading the clue that the LR3 = FAIL! Oh ya, and keeping a tire on the ground in the dirt means nothing at all, it is worthless and won't help you one bit! /sigh righto folks! Sometimes I feel like these discussions are about how 1 + 1 doesn't = 2 rather it equals 3 or 4 or whatever because somebody wants to re-educate us all about mathematics!

I explained what off-roading is about above and what works best. You don't have to take my word for it, you can search google all on your own and read up for a few dozen hours. Then come back here and school me or others on how 6" of wheel travel is the best off-road! This is not like building a nuclear bomb, it is really basic stuff. If fan-boys and people who just don't want to understand the facts or what has been proven for dozens of years that is fine but what that comes down to is ignorance.

If people these days want to ignore all the information out there available for free about a subject such as off-roading and what works best, no worries, knock yourself out. But get out here on the internet and give anything that doesn't back up the tried and true, know to work, well established facts of the matter, not to mention simple common sense....well, you may just get called the fool! it is nothing new, people who ignore (aka ignorant) facts have been labeled the village fool for thousands of years.

Oh and, off topic...ya maybe but the subject is about flex, aka wheel travel and a lot of posts and pictures in the thread seem just the opposite with the authors proud of it.

Cheers
 
RMP&O

RMP&O

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flighht2k5 said:
It's funny land rover used to praise themselves for the ability of their trucks to flex. Now they don't flex and they praise themselves on the ability of their traction control.


ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
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Right, combine the two and you have something. One or the other is only half the equation or in other words half an off-road truck. Once you have a suspension that can move up and down and keep a tire on the ground and have traction to all 4-wheels (locked) rather than 2-wheels (open diff) you have the foundation (based on basic fundamentals) of a solid off-road vehicle. Brand of vehicle be it a Land Rover, Toyota, Benz, Nissan, Ford, Chevy, whatever at this point can be a mute point and just comes down to opinions (or facts based on years of owner feedback & known issues) of the owners of such and such truck and what they think is best. Add in gearing (the next best thing) on top of flex + traction and you can transfer the power (even just 50hp) to the wheels correctly which are on the ground and have traction. How these very basic things that are the foundations of off-roading can not be understood leaves me rolling my eyes.

But hey, I don't know jack all about any of this and am just making it all up! That is why IFS and IRS, unibody construction plus low hanging junk is great in the dirt! Not to mention how awesome ODB3 and beyond is when you are in the middle of nowhere. Traction control issues, self leveling air bag suspension giving you grief? Sweet, now I know I have a problem at such and such location because my $1000+ idiot proof trouble shooter is telling me so. Now I just need to get a part drop shipped from Europe to BFE nowhere South America! Oh and I need such and such special tool to install this part. But hey my roadside mechanic in this village I barely made it to before I died can do it without any of this junk because he tells me so! ;)

And hey I have driven one of these new school traction control fully automatic 4wd, push a button-do-all, hold your hand SUV's too. It rocked in the snow on pavement and in the mountains of snowy roads. I couldn't break it loose when I tried, so as far as safety it was solid but was also super boring to drive. Beyond that, such as in the dirt, it won't go half as far as a solid axle locked old school leaf sprung suspension.

:)

Cheers
 
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Mountainhound

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Can't disagree but dont be knocking coil springs.
RMP&O said:
Right, combine the two and you have something. One or the other is only half the equation or in other words half an off-road truck. Once you have a suspension that can move up and down and keep a tire on the ground and have traction to all 4-wheels (locked) rather than 2-wheels (open diff) you have the foundation (based on basic fundamentals) of a solid off-road vehicle. Brand of vehicle be it a Land Rover, Toyota, Benz, Nissan, Ford, Chevy, whatever at this point can be a mute point and just comes down to opinions (or facts based on years of owner feedback & known issues) of the owners of such and such truck and what they think is best. Add in gearing (the next best thing) on top of flex + traction and you can transfer the power (even just 50hp) to the wheels correctly which are on the ground and have traction. How these very basic things that are the foundations of off-roading can not be understood leaves me rolling my eyes.

But hey, I don't know jack all about any of this and am just making it all up! That is why IFS and IRS, unibody construction plus low hanging junk is great in the dirt! Not to mention how awesome ODB3 and beyond is when you are in the middle of nowhere. Traction control issues, self leveling air bag suspension giving you grief? Sweet, now I know I have a problem at such and such location because my $1000+ idiot proof trouble shooter is telling me so. Now I just need to get a part drop shipped from Europe to BFE nowhere South America! Oh and I need such and such special tool to install this part. But hey my roadside mechanic in this village I barely made it to before I died can do it without any of this junk because he tells me so! ;)

And hey I have driven one of these new school traction control fully automatic 4wd, push a button-do-all, hold your hand SUV's too. It rocked in the snow on pavement and in the mountains of snowy roads. I couldn't break it loose when I tried, so as far as safety it was solid but was also super boring to drive. Beyond that, such as in the dirt, it won't go half as far as a solid axle locked old school leaf sprung suspension. :)

Cheers
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