Small camper

Ozarker

Well-known member
Lots of good suggestions and nice rigs mentioned, I don't know how budget minded you are, the MB is not on the lower end of the money tree.

Began by asking about a VW and got way below 25 mpg I think. Can you better define your overlanding, backwoods, fire trails, over rock slides or the speed humps in the campgrounds? I know some folks who went all over the country in a VW camper.

Not to get off topic, but I'm thinking of a less capable off road machine and hauling the dual sport motorcycle going to have fun with a base camp. So a VW could do something like that as well I'd think.
 

spaceman

New member
Sprinter Sliding Door Mod

Les Lghiker,

I am new to this forum, so I am not sure if the two pics will show up. The door as shown is not finished as the handle to open it needs to be added for better leverage when opening. I had the control module reprogrammed to ignore the door open/closed sensors, although the sensors could probably have been relocated to work normally. If the two pics do not show up, please tell me how add them to the post.

Larry
 

garybo

Adventurer
I should rephrase my question. If your rig is built for going across Mongolia, size and economy don't matter. Our travel plans are more routine- going through the Americas, Europe, Australia, perhaps some Asia or Africa not on expeditions but more for seeing the known and traveled world as Ozarker mentioned. We'll go on poor roads but rarely off road. We are currently traveling 1000 miles per week. Getting into European cities somewhat precludes a very large rig. We are thinking about having a "smaller" simple rig for economy and size but maintain durability and have service and parts in most places. Being in North America limits our choices. In this thread
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/84733-Small-camper?p=1190347#post1190347
I tried to explore using a Tacoma but any kind of camper puts the unit at a heavy weight and about 12mpg. The new XP v2 for the Tacoma weighs 800 lbs, the payload is 1400 lbs, so this might be a possibility for the size criteria but probably still gets 12mpg. A full size 250/2500 or 350/3500 pickup with a flatbed camper like the XP v4 should get 18mpg and not have a much larger footprint than the Tacoma. The same full size footprint is found for the basic Bengal Tiger- I don't know mileage for the Tiger. I don't know enough about using a Sprinter conversion- more about this can be found at
http://www.sprinter-rv.com/2011/09/29/four-sprinter-adventure-tales/
Sportsmobile is making a Fuso based camper, not out yet. The proven Fuso Earth Cruiser should be in the US in the spring. These won't get better than 12mpg. The Cruiser is 21' in length with 133" wheelbase, making it easy to park and maneuver.
The VW would be too small for us. The Unimogs too big.
One can find used pickups decreasing initial cost. I believe one will be able to use an older Fuso for the Cruiser. Prior to '07 would be necessary for wide travel.
So our choices would be 1. Tacoma with XP v2- good size, lower fuel economy, 2. full size pickup with XP v4- larger size, better fuel economy, 3. Tiger Bengal- larger size, lower fuel economy, or 4. Fuso Earth Cruiser- larger size, lower fuel economy.
From what others have said, Mercedes (but not necessarily Sprinter), Cummins and Fuso have parts and service in many places. Don't know about Ford and Chevy.
I don't know enough about gas vs. diesel engines. We're putting on a lot of miles/yr.
Please tear this down any way you choose!
 

Ozarker

Well-known member
Ooops, don't get me wrong guys, I love MBs, just saying heading south from KC Mo, the next dealership is in Springfield, Mo. next closest is Tulsa, further south it's Little Rock I believe. I can see where they would be much closer east or west around the population centers.

Garybo, you're right on target I'd think, I'm stuck with my Ford because that's what I have. If I were strating from scratch I'd lean your direction with the Tacoma rig too!
 

lqhikers

Adventurer
no gen.

Garybo,
we ordered without gen.
you can go to my post "our new Tiger" to see just how we ordered it and why.

Les,lqhikers
 

garybo

Adventurer
Just looked at "our new Tiger"- thanks for elaborating on Provan's willingness to modify the camper at customer's request. Looks great!
 

garybo

Adventurer
Thinking some more about the chassis, it seems that ranchers and farmers use their ordinary pickups on difficult terrain daily with heavy loads for years and have the usual problems. So saying that I would need a special truck like the Fuso for my anticipated "On Road" use may be my ego wanting something "better" than the other travelers. And in the US, Canada, Europe, Australia, and any other more
civilized areas, I would think Ford or Chevy parts and service would be available. Not so in Mongolia or Africa but remote areas aren't in our near travel plans. So, the right size Ford or Chevy matched to the camper size/weight should work? A short wheelbase is better. The meaning of "expedition" is to explore areas not traveled. This smaller rig would not be an expedition rig, but it could see many sights.
As a side note, it is worth thinking about for "smaller" that the new unproven small XP (800 lbs) camper for the Tacoma size truck might be better on a Ford 150 eco boost type chassis for better economy than on the Tacoma.
Please find exceptions and corrections to my thinking. thanks
 

adam88

Explorer
It's difficult to keep a camper light, because you can't change the weight of water, fuel and passengers. The Tacoma, for instance, may have 1400# of payload, but that quickly goes down the drain when you have passengers. Water weighs 8.35# per gallon. So add 100# per 12 gallons of water. For two people who are travelling, it's not easy to live comfortably off of 12 gallons of water for more than a day. While I like what Marc has attempted to do with the XP2, I just don't see it working. Even if it truly is 800# dry (I don't doubt Marc is telling the truth, just that number may not include all options), after adding passengers, fuel and water you'll be over payload and that's without any storage or items at all.

For me, I am building a hard sided pop up camper to minimize dimensions, and will be putting it on a regular cab F250 diesel. I wish we had smaller high payload diesel trucks out here. The Mahindra TR20 sure looked good before it all went up in smoke... it was so close to coming here, with them even doing test runs and stuff. Too bad...
 

garybo

Adventurer
As I said before, I may not want 4wd but instead have a rear locking mechanism, so only travel on trail types 1 and 1.5
 

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