Sold my Eagle, now what? (Bought a Trooper)

Eaglefreek

Eagleless
So I sold my 86 Wagon. I thought I would have it till I died, but decided to simplify my life. About 6 years ago I went through a divorce/foreclosure/bankruptcy and my credit is finally close to where I could get a decent mortgage rate and will add the cash towards my down payment, plus I'll be selling the Lost in Transmission Eagle soon, seen below in my signature. After I find a place and get settled, I want something with more room and not unibody. I'm really leaning towards a gen 1-2.5 Montero, but a 1st gen Trooper and Jeep Grand Wagoneer are on the list. It will be a while before I do make the decision, unless a great deal falls in my lap. I had someone offer me a 2005 H2 that needs engine work for $5,000, but I'm not a fan of them. I could have probably done a fix and flip and made some money, but the next few months are going to be crazy busy at work and don't want to take on a project.

Some of you folks may recognize the new owner of my Eagle.

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Eaglefreek

Eagleless
Stick with the Montero idea, so much more for your money than about anything else around.

I found one I like on CL a few hours ago, but no return email or call. One pic and very little detail. It can be frustrating dealing with CL sellers and buyers. I make it a point to list several points of contact and do my best to immediately respond.
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jeep-N-montero

Expedition Leader
I found one I like on CL a few hours ago, but no return email or call. One pic and very little detail. It can be frustrating dealing with CL sellers and buyers. I make it a point to list several points of contact and do my best to immediately respond.
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I know you are a fan of the boxy older vehicles but you will be happier overall with a little bit newer SR or Winter package 98-00. And I agree on some sellers lacking info, makes you ask yourself if they really want to sell a vehicle.
 

BIGdaddy

Expedition Leader
Hmmm...you could stick with the wagon concept and go with an outback or a forester.

Alternatively, i can recommend these:

1985-1989 4runner
1995-2002 trooper
1992-1999 cherokee
Any tacoma/4runner with 22re or 3.4l v6
 
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Eaglefreek

Eagleless
Hmmm...you could stick with the wagon concept and go with an outback or a forester.

Alternatively, i can recommend these:

1985-1989 4runner
1995-2002 trooper
1992-1999 cherokee
Any tacoma/4runner with 22re or 3.4l v6

Thanks, but I want more room. Cherokees are too small and I like the high roof looks of the Montero and Troopers. Plus, I've never been a fan of Toyotas trucks. It might be because of their high resale value and I'm a cheap SOB.
 

BIGdaddy

Expedition Leader
I like both monteros and troopers. The newer monteros have certain downsides that made the trooper a better choice for me. And you are correct, my trooper is cavernous inside compared to my previous cherokee and 4runner
 

Eaglefreek

Eagleless
The newer monteros have certain downsides that made the trooper a better choice for me.

Care to elaborate? I'm not a bells and whistle guy, I like simplicity. I've owned MANY vehicles over the years and only about 3 had power windows and locks.
 

BIGdaddy

Expedition Leader
Care to elaborate? I'm not a bells and whistle guy, I like simplicity. I've owned MANY vehicles over the years and only about 3 had power windows and locks.

I've also owned my share of vehicles. :) (I'm at about 25-30 at this point.) For me, early Montero's and Troopers are solid rigs and I have no real feedback on those.
.
The newer Montero's and Troopers 1995-2001 have some pretty clear differences.
.
Motor
1. Firstly, the 2001 trooper I have has a smooth, powerful, reliable timing belted, non-interference motor. The 3.5l sohc in Montero SR's are interference motors. Snap a belt, and there goes the neighborhood.
.
2. Montero motors have butterfly valves that can fail and basically turn the motor into a paperweight. No such failures occur with the trooper 3.2. or 3.5l motors
.
3. Both motors use oil. that's a wash. In the trooper it's improperly designed pistons, in the Montero, it's valve guide seals. Neither are a big issue if you keep eyes on levels.
.
4. Spark plug replacements on the Montero are ridiculously complicated. see this 6 part video for a taste of what's involved: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMtWHiPnISY
The reasoning is that one can use lifetime plugs. The thing is with an oil-burner, I'm not okay with more than a 1-2 year plug change interval. Trooper plugs are $2.50 each, and installs are a non-issue.
.
Seating

1. Montero's are a 2 in front, 2 in back, 2 in 3rd row, if equipped, rig. I have 3 kids, which means that simply transporting my clan means that I lose my cargo space. The trooper has MUCH more headroom and shoulder room in the front, and in the 2nd row has more than enough room for 3 adults. The cargo area is boxy and cavernous. I've never once regretting not having the factory 3rd row seat.
.
2. the 60/40 reclining rear seats in the trooper are very useful for cargo carrying. I think the Montero rear seat is 50/50. might be a wash, but I remember them being more cumbersome.
.
Aftermarket
.
1. Aftermarket for both is nothing like a jeep or Toyota, but the trooper has locking hubs from warn, lifts from ARB/Calmini/independent4x, and bull bars and snorkels from ARB, too. I have yet to install a snorkel, but it's on my list along with a dust pre-cleaner to make sure my motor is breathing clean.
.
2. I didn't find the same type of support for the Montero from ARB when I was looking though other vendors might have popped up to fill those voids.
.
3. Parts are readily available for the trooper, and is a blend of Aisin, Isuzu, and Denso/GM parts. Very affordable. My rig has literally needed almost nothing as far as repairs, though I DID make an effort to research the parts I might need like starters, alternators, fuel pumps, bearings, axles etc. Montero parts are not super scarce, but my research resulted in parts that were more likely special order items, and at higher cost. This may just be my area or simply my experience and not the same for other owners.
.
Check out these two websites for info:
.
http://www.independent4x.com/Isuzu-Store_c_8.html
.
http://www.planetisuzoo.com/index.php?sid=3d3a87d038299c425ee8275d57c7e857
.
.
That's about all I have that I can remember that pushed me over towards the Isuzu lineup. I know a bunch of folks at my work who run Amigo's, Rodeo's and troopers and all report the same findings. Comfy, reliable, easy to work on, and a good value if you put minimal regular maintenance.
.
I would look around this site at my trooper build thread, as well Montero builds. There's quite a few troubleshooting threads about Montero's where lockers don't work, solonoids have failed, etc, etc.
.
The big weak point on the trooper is the oil consumption, and an auto tranny that can be troublesome, though mine is doing fine at 188,000 miles. If you want a 5 speed, the early Troopers are good to go with their 3.2l motors and strong 5speeds.
 
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jeep-N-montero

Expedition Leader
I've also owned my share of vehicles. :) (I'm at about 25-30 at this point.) For me, early Montero's and Troopers are solid rigs and I have no real feedback on those.
.
The newer Montero's and Troopers 1995-2001 have some pretty clear differences.
.
Motor
1. Firstly, the 2001 trooper I have has a smooth, powerful, reliable timing belted, non-interference motor. The 3.5l sohc in Montero SR's are interference motors. Snap a belt, and there goes the neighborhood.
.
2. Montero motors have butterfly valves that can fail and basically turn the motor into a paperweight. No such failures occur with the trooper 3.2. or 3.5l motors
.
3. Both motors use oil. that's a wash. In the trooper it's improperly designed pistons, in the Montero, it's valve guide seals. Neither are a big issue if you keep eyes on levels.
.
4. Spark plug replacements on the Montero are ridiculously complicated. see this 6 part video for a taste of what's involved: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMtWHiPnISY
The reasoning is that one can use lifetime plugs. The thing is with an oil-burner, I'm not okay with more than a 1-2 year plug change interval. Trooper plugs are $2.50 each, and installs are a non-issue.
.
Seating

1. Montero's are a 2 in front, 2 in back, 2 in 3rd row, if equipped, rig. I have 3 kids, which means that simply transporting my clan means that I lose my cargo space. The trooper has MUCH more headroom and shoulder room in the front, and in the 2nd row has more than enough room for 3 adults. The cargo area is boxy and cavernous. I've never once regretting not having the factory 3rd row seat.
.
2. the 60/40 reclining rear seats in the trooper are very useful for cargo carrying. I think the Montero rear seat is 50/50. might be a wash, but I remember them being more cumbersome.
.
Aftermarket
.
1. Aftermarket for both is nothing like a jeep or Toyota, but the trooper has locking hubs from warn, lifts from ARB/Calmini/independent4x, and bull bars and snorkels from ARB, too. I have yet to install a snorkel, but it's on my list along with a dust pre-cleaner to make sure my motor is breathing clean.
.
2. I didn't find the same type of support for the Montero from ARB when I was looking though other vendors might have popped up to fill those voids.
.
3. Parts are readily available for the trooper, and is a blend of Aisin, Isuzu, and Denso/GM parts. Very affordable. My rig has literally needed almost nothing as far as repairs, though I DID make an effort to research the parts I might need like starters, alternators, fuel pumps, bearings, axles etc. Montero parts are not super scarce, but my research resulted in parts that were more likely special order items, and at higher cost. This may just be my area or simply my experience and not the same for other owners.
.
Check out these two websites for info:
.
http://www.independent4x.com/Isuzu-Store_c_8.html
.
http://www.planetisuzoo.com/index.php?sid=3d3a87d038299c425ee8275d57c7e857
.
.
That's about all I have that I can remember that pushed me over towards the Isuzu lineup. I know a bunch of folks at my work who run Amigo's, Rodeo's and troopers and all report the same findings. Comfy, reliable, easy to work on, and a good value if you put minimal regular maintenance.
.
I would look around this site at my trooper build thread, as well Montero builds. There's quite a few troubleshooting threads about Montero's where lockers don't work, solonoids have failed, etc, etc.
.
The big weak point on the trooper is the oil consumption, and an auto tranny that can be troublesome, though mine is doing fine at 188,000 miles. If you want a 5 speed, the early Troopers are good to go with their 3.2l motors and strong 5speeds.

I will correct the presented misinformation regarding the Montero tomorrow when I am not on my way to bed.
 

BIGdaddy

Expedition Leader
I will correct the presented misinformation regarding the Montero tomorrow when I am not on my way to bed.

LoL...oh, and EagleFreak...there's a very dedicated cadre of folks who LOVE their Montero's, so I'm sure this gentleman will have some good points to share.
 
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Eaglefreek

Eagleless
Thanks Brian, that was a pretty comprehensive post. Luckily I'm not in any hurry, so I'll do my due diligence while searching for the right rig for me.


Bill, honestly I've never been a fan of the Wranglers. I think it has something to do with my South Florida days and seeing morons cruise the beach in their Jeeps that would never see an unpaved road. Plus a buddy had a TJ and I felt so cramped in it, I couldn't wait to get out and the new ones are way out of the price range that I want to spend. I had an old 76 Cherokee for 6 months that needed quite a bit of work. However, in hindsight, if I would have spent the time, money and effort that I spent on the Eagle I just sold plus the money I lost on 87 Eagle that had the 5.3L and 35's , it would have been an awesome rig.
 

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