Subaru owners: Let's see your expedition rigs!

WMDunkin

Adventurer
How is the acceleration with the larger tires? Do you notice a difference in fuel economy?

Acceleration "loss" is probably more from the tire tread/compound then weight. MPG is really how heavy my foot is and how much I idle. I just did a trip to Pittsburgh and back and got 21-22 mpg up driving 75-80mph and 26-27mpg back driving 60-65mph. That was with the basket on the roof (empty) and loaded down with a full weekends worth of stuff.
 

crawldit

Adventurer
Just picked up this 2013 Crosstrek. My wife talked me into a 2010 Mini Cooper Clubman S like 6 months ago. I absolutely HATED that car. Definitely glad to have AWD and some clearance again. I want the 2" Primitive lift and 215\60\17 Yokohama Geolander A/T-S tires. I will probably install a hitch for a teardrop down the road, or I might just get some cross bars for the roof rack and a small RTT. Haven't decided yet. So far I am really enjoying this Subaru. Nice ride, nice gas mileage, nice everything. I'm impressed.

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Rosco862003

Adventurer
Are you pretty happy with the lift and tire combo? How high is the lift itself? Looking at either blocks and tires on my 06 Impreza wagon, or going whole hog and Forester suspension, but kind of like the ride as is. The wife might find a bigger lift and softer springs "odd" while driving. We mostly explore backroads with Outbacks and Forester, and use it to camp, canoe, mountain bike, etc. That said, I wish the suspension could handle increased weight better, and wonder if the Forester setup is better, considering it's probably cheaper than King or similar springs, and I can do all the work myself with my current tools. Either way, some lift, some rubber, and some armour are in order.

I too have an 06' Impreza and figured I'd offer my $.02 to save you some headaches and money. My current setup is Forester Xt struts with King Impreza lift springs in front and OEM FXT springs in the rear, along with an Outback rear trailing arm bracket I picked up from the dealer. This combined with my General Grabbers (215/65R16) give me right at 10" of clearance at the rear diff, and slightly less at the exhaust. I'm happy with the stance but once you go above 2" of lift on this chassis, it is my impression that things change dramatically and that no matter how you approach it, it is an expensive endeavor and will nickel and dime you over time, if you try to save money on the initial install. I originally had FXT front springs but ripped both axle boots within a months time forcing me to search for alternatives, which was either subframe spacers, which I didn't want because I wanted to maintain as much clearance as possible, or the King lift springs. For 2 springs, $250 was expensive, but there really weren't many other options out there that I could consider so I bit the bullet and installed the springs at the same time as I put my new axles in and so far so good. The additional benefit of having the king springs in the front and FXT springs in the rear is that it eliminates the need for saggy butt spacers and evens the front and rear body to tire gap. I also bought Kartboy rear STI endlinks for the front as they are 3/4" longer than the OEM endlinks, but was unable to use them because they wouldn't fit into the slot on my control arm. I'm thinking this mod may only be applicable for sedan control arms as the sedan and wagon control arms and even STI control arms for that matter are different.

Over time I've noticed my front end develop considerable bumpsteer, a few odd and rather disconcerting clunks, and the tendency to wander. To combat this (fingers crossed), I picked up a whiteline anti lift kit, which uses a transverse link design identical to the foresters but with a firmer bushing which when combined with a spacer will get my control arm closer to where it was originally and provide additional caster which I believe I lost whenever I put the lift on. I also got some Poly steering rack bushings that I understand make a big difference if you have a higher mileage car. I have about 116k hard miles on mine that include sand, mud and the generally horrible streets that plague NYC so I'm interested in seeing how blasted my current rack bushings are. I just bought this stuff yesterday so I'll report back my findings post-install.

It is my understanding the WMDunkin has a slightly smaller tire (215/60) than I do (215/65) on a turbo engine, so I suspect that he won't notice as big of a hit as some of us NA guys would. However, my experience has been as follows. Lower MPG to the tune of 4-5 mpg, but I also installed these items during winter, which usually brings my mileage down due to the winter blend gas. I also moved from NC to NY and my share of city driving increased considerably, but hwy mileage still has decreased to the tune of 5 mpg. The effect on acceleration is very pronounced and frustrating considering the stop and go traffic I deal with on a daily basis. I find that I rarely use 5th gear on my commute, and that its best left for the highway. Even when offroad, I'll have a tendency to bog down much quicker, which I think is a combination of the bigger tires, and the additional traction the tires provide, but still requires me to ride the clutch more. One fix I've found for this is to install a Forester XT transmission and rear diff which has a final drive ratio of 4.44 vs my current 3.9..This is something I plan on doing during the summer.

I understand this is a bit of information but is something that shouldn't be taken lightly, as there is what seems to be an unstoppable domino effect that follows an initially frugal approach to lifting your car. I hope I helped a bit and if you have any questions feel free to PM me.
 
Yes, that was quite helpful. I was looking at 215/65/16's, but may go to 60's. Just on King lift springs. The above post is 1000% better than all the forum searching I've been doing leading up to this. Mine's an auto, so it should drive marginally better with bigger boots, specially off road.
 

Chazz Layne

Administrator
Out doing what it was designed to do...

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Is it wrong that I use the Foz to scout locations for Discovery trips? :sombrero:
 

Rosco862003

Adventurer
Yes, that was quite helpful. I was looking at 215/65/16's, but may go to 60's. Just on King lift springs. The above post is 1000% better than all the forum searching I've been doing leading up to this. Mine's an auto, so it should drive marginally better with bigger boots, specially off road.

Glad I could help. One thing to consider with the King springs is that they are roughly 30% stiffer than the 2.5i springs, and may be a bit too much for the stock Impreza struts leading to premature failure. The setup that Dunkin has I believe is ideal, as you're not affecting suspension geometry too much and you're still left with a capable vehicle with around 7"-8" of clearance which isn't bad considering you're still driving an economy car. The benefit to this setup is that you don't have to mess around with matching struts and springs, and you can even throw on the 215/60's at your current height, as they fit with no modifications, until you figure out which route you want to go.

Chazz, props to you for what appears to be an awesome little adventure and thank you for taking my mind off the drone of the highway outside my office window.
 

Applejack

Explorer
Out doing what it was designed to do...

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Is it wrong that I use the Foz to scout locations for Discovery trips? :sombrero:
Not at all. It's pretty fun just to see where these little cars can go. Ever since getting my daughter one, we take it out more often than my 4Runner. And it makes me wonder how much I really need lockers and a winch and heavy steel plates everywhere.
 

camodog

Adventurer
I love this thread. I have a wrx that I bought brand new way back in 2003. Although it is not an expedition vehicle I still love seeing all these subarus on here.
 

machine1

Explorer
A WRX with a mild lift would be superb. I understand the AWD is beefier in those things.

The problem you would run into is climbing steep hills with the manual transmission, unless you have the automatic WRX. The STi has the larger R180 rear diff, If you could get that with the ARB locker for the Nissan R180 installed you would be pretty unstoppable. $4000 in parts alone :(.
 

libarata

Expedition Leader
Pfft, RUNNING START BRAH! I was all kinds of set on switching over to a standard, when I watched bluefox's videos on youtube. I will take lateral spin over dealing with a wimpy 1st gear any day. It would be a great if someone could find a way to manufacture a more softroad oriented manual tranny for the roos. You know, alongside locking diffs :D Speaking of tranny... Mine is starting to shift pretty fuggin hard.
 

machine1

Explorer
I wonder how good the low range on the older manuals are (Not for US unfortunately).

A locker on the R160 would probably snap those rear axles but I've seen the R180 used in RWD applications. Even a limited slip diff would be a good option.
 

libarata

Expedition Leader
Well, I was thinking of limited slip. Not a true locker. No need for that in a roo! I understand Subaru's market, and direction, but we can all have pipe dreams for our little wagons and sedans! My dad had a Brat with a low range, he loved it!
 

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