That age-old dilemma: Double down or fold?

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Now that 2018 is coming to an end, I find myself in a dilemma that is probably common to us all.

As expressed by those great philosophizers, The Clash, "Should I Stay or Should I Go?"

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I'm still really liking the old Suburban, but it's getting...old. 15 years (come 2019) and currently at 180,000 miles. Transmission rebuilt at 150,000 in 2016 but otherwise no major issues.

Last year I got rid of my "Daily driver" Pathfinder when I realized that it just didn't make sense for me to have two cars, so this is my only 4 wheeled vehicle (still have a couple of motorcycles though...)

The one big change that the wife and I did last year was that instead of me driving my vehicle almost everywhere (and hers rarely), we got her a nicer car (2016 Honda CR-V with almost all the options) and that has become our de facto "Town car." Generally speaking, if we are going somewhere together, or if I'm running errands on the weekend or at night, I take the Honda unless the wife has someplace specific she needs to go. AWD + 25MPG in the city is pretty awesome!

I do drive the big 'Burb to work, but since I work from home 2 days a week, that's only 3 days/week and my commute is 20 miles round trip. So that's 60 miles a week commuting, not nearly enough to justify a 2nd car even at the Suburban's dismal 12 - 13 MPG in town.

Certainly I could afford a newer vehicle, but I have really come to like the Suburban. For one thing, I've put a lot of work into it (Z71 springs in the rear, new shocks all around lift keys up front, new wheels/33" tires, dual battery, Bluetooth stereo) and it's a very comfortable "road trip" car. It does a great job pulling our 3500lb travel trailer - though it struggles over the high passes and the 4 speed automatic is annoying with it's gargantuan gaps between 1/2 and 2/ 3 - and it's a great "exploring" vehicle for us once we get to the campsite to get around.

But...it's not getting any younger. And every time there's an "issue" with it, I start to wonder if it really makes sense to put any more money into it.

So of course I think about replacing the 'Burb with something newer and with lower miles on it.

Until that time, though, I'd like to think I could get at least one more year out of the old girl.

So here's what I'm asking: Reasonably speaking, how much time/miles do I have left? As I said, the truck has 180k on it now. My usage over the last 3 years of ownership has shown that even with the 'Burb being my "daily driver" (not really though), I typically put between 11,000 and 14,000 miles/year on it.

IDEALLY, I'd like to keep it 3 more years, because at the end of 2021, I will turn 60 and start drawing my military retirement. That will easily be enough for a moderate car payment without impacting any other part of our lives.

I'm just wondering if that's realistic or if I'm tempting fate. 3 years at a maximum of 14,000 miles/year is 42,000 miles. That would mean at the end of 2021 the truck would be 17 years old with between 213,000 and 222,000 miles on it.

My biggest concern is not with around-town driving, it's the fact that the 'burb is our trailer tug and exploration vehicle.

As much as I'm convinced the old girl still has a lot of life in her, I'm inclined to err to the side of caution. It's one thing if a vehicle breaks down and I'm by myself - that just makes for a great story to tell around the campfire. But having to take into account all the additional "stuff" I've acquired over the years makes me cautious.

I don't want to be in a situation where we are 500 miles from home on a long trip and have a catastrophic failure because it wouldn't just mean a tow to the local garage: It would mean having to figure out how to get the camper, wife, dog, 2 kayaks and all our crap back home.

And this would almost certainly be on a weekend, probably in a very remote or rural area that doesn't have much "infrastructure."

The saddest thing for me is that as much as I'd like to replace it with something similar - there really IS nothing similar, not anymore. The GMT-800 trucks really do seem to be the last of the true "utilitarian" full sized SUVs.

The current crop of Suburban/Tahoe/Expedition type vehicles have lost almost all their "utility" and become glorified mini vans. Not that there's anything wrong with that - GM and Ford obviously know who their customers are and what they'll pay for - but it's not what I need.

Unfortunately, I've come to the conclusion that the only reasonable replacement for the 'burb would be a full sized crew-cab short bed truck (though it annoys me that a CCSB truck has a longer wheelbase and paradoxically, LESS interior storage due to the "wall" between cab and bed.)

Anyway, I'm just asking for opinions on what others might do in a similar situation.
 

02TahoeMD

Explorer
My Tahoe turns 17 in March, and it is paid for. No plans, whatsoever, to get rid of it. It is paid for and most repairs that crop up, I can tackle myself and save $$$. Personally I can't stand having a car payment, and this body style of truck is, IMHO, the last of the good full size SUVs that GM made. I really dislike the direction that most of the industry has gone with their SUVs, in making them more car like both in appearance and performance. (shoot, even some pickup trucks are not solidly made these days, I saw an F150 that sheared apart in a collision this year) More gadgets to break and are expensive to repair. For instance, my 2011 Tahoe I have at work ate the camshaft this year due to the AFM system. I was without the truck for almost 2 weeks while they rebuilt the entire top end. I could not imagine footing that bill personally. The mechanic that I talked to told me to never get rid of my 2002.

I plan to drive the Tahoe for years to come. In time, I am sure it will be looked at with the fondness that we look at classic Broncos and Blazers of the 70s. I hope to still be around when that happens, and still driving it.
 

BritKLR

Kapitis Indagatoris
Paid off + no car payment + lower insurance + lower new car stress (first dent/scratch) + cheap repairs = Best Car Ever.....

Seriously, I get it. Look at my signature line and my old Chevy/GMC rides. They're all over 180k, auto trans, live in mountains/outside and I ask a lot from them (towing, hauling, off-roading, vacationing, exploring) and from time to time I have to replace/repair things and deal with on the road repairs and like you said, "it becomes a campfire story" and my wife is cool with all of it. But, it so much cheaper, interesting and fun then just another new truck/car on the road. So, I'd support your inclination to hang onto the burb and care for it and use it for its intended purpose. Cheers!
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Thanks for all the input. That's pretty much the way I've been leaning. As I said, I'm definitely committed to at least one more year. If it starts to develop problems I'll revisit that decision.

Our camping season is pretty intense. We start camping in April and pretty much go every other weekend until October or November. This year our camping season didn't end until the Sunday after Thanksgiving!

What that means in terms of vehicle choice is that once camping season starts, I'm pretty much "locked in." I simply don't have enough down time between trips to both sell my old truck and buy and outfit a new one. So whatever vehicle I start camping season with, that's the one I end with. My "buying window" is about 5 months between the end of November and the beginning of April.

My biggest worry WRT the Suburban is the fuel pump. I haven't had any issues so far (knock wood!) but at the first sign of trouble I'll bite the bullet and have the fuel pump replaced. Engine is still strong and transmission only has 30k on it. I replaced the encoder motor in the T-case last year so that's good. Other than some intermittent glitches (o2 sensor went out and threw a CEL - I fixed that in my garage, and an intermittent "failure to charge" that only lasts a few seconds) it's been rock solid.

Yeah, I like new and shiny stuff but I like money in my pocket even more!

BTW as you can see from the photo above, the body is pristine apart from some very minor rust on the leading edge of the rear fenders. CO has been so dry these last few years even the mag chloride hasn't done any damage!

From my observation it seems the one thing that will kill these trucks is body rot, so being in a dry climate will benefit me greatly.
 
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jeep-N-montero

Expedition Leader
Our 2003 Yukon has 146k miles and we plan to drive it until it falls apart, GM trucks rarely have issues of any sort unless they are abused and/or not maintained properly. You have already addressed the "weak point" with the trans rebuild, so keep driving it!
 

Buliwyf

Viking with a Hammer
Go. Before body rot makes it worthless.

I make a point to put no cargo in my cab. Only some blankets, and extra bottle jack, and my Hilift are under the rear seat.

I carry a couple 55 gallon Stanley totes in the 6.5' short bed of the truck. One empty, one with recovery gear, spare alternator, spare starter, and basic tools. Interior room for PEOPLE is good. I never needed more than 5 seats in an SUV. CC trucks have 5.5 seats. If I double stack the totes. I can fit eight of them, and still have enough bed space to pile up some dead bodies and a cooler. Far more room than a fullsize SUV.

The extra wheelbase is nice and steady on long drives and towing.

Grocery's, suitcase, dogs, whatever, all goes in the bed.
 
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MTCK

Observer
Good looking burb. I’d do both. Start saving that monthly payment and drive the wheels off your current rig. When the time comes you’ll have a nice chunk sitting there. I like old robust rigs. That being said I love my Yukon XL and wouldn’t hesitate to do a few things to improve clearance and use it the way you do.
 

Kingsize24

Well-known member
You have one of the best gen GM truck/sub that GM ever put out IMO. They are stupid simple to work on. If you have into it what you say, there is no way I would get rid of it for a potentially more electronically unreliable vehicle that is incomparable and less capable. I would keep it, and I bet you get 300k out of it without issue. JMHO
 

Ducky's Dad

Explorer
Drive it three more years or until it drops, whichever comes first. Just today I dropped another $1K into my 98 Z71 truck with over 180M on the clock. Why? Because I'd rather beat this truck than one of my newer ones (they are not all that new, being a 2005 Power Wagon and a 2008 Tundra). When the GMC finally dies, it's gone. The Burb looks pretty good and 180M is not all that high. The cheapest truck you'll ever buy is the one you already have.
 

Tex68w

Beach Bum
I'd keep driving it until you draw that money from Uncle Sugar in a few years. Then, if the 'Burb is starting to limp along and/or you still have the desire for something fresh, I would add the new/new-to-you second and/or replacement rig at that time.
 

stomperxj

Explorer
2001 Tahoe here with nearly 230k on it. Parts are super cheap for these, there are tons of them in the scrap/u-pull yards. No plans to get rid of mine anytime soon. Paid off, cheap insurance and everything else the other guys posted.
 

Wilbah

Adventurer
I'll echo what everyone else has said- keep it. My 04 Yukon has 240K or so and keeps going.

I think the key is how you look at that odd repair that crops up- I view it as my annual car payment, it might be $500 or might be $750 but its once a year. The downside is I dont know when it will happen. But bottom line is it's cheaper than the sales tax alone on a new vehicle.

Now at some point you'll say enough is enough and get rid of it. But until then I would do some preventative stuff maybe (like you have) and just keep going.

Maybe do the fuel pump before it goes (do it yourself- run the tank almost empty, it will be a lot easier than trying to take out an almost full tank). The key is on those when they go, it just stops (ask me how I know.....yep, one of my annual payments). But until you do it keep it at 1/2 full or better all the time. The fuel cools the pump and when they are always run low on gas they wear out sooner.

Maybe do the hubs, again, an easy diy repair. But overall they will just keep going. I replaced the original serpentine belt a couple of years ago because the spare I had bought for it was like 8 years old. And the original wasnt in bad shape, it's now my spare. Ha.

But as someone said maybe set aside a couple of hundred a month toward that day when you decide you do have to do it and get rid of it. Ultimately it will happen, but that way (and with some preventative/pre-emptive maintence), it will be on your terms. Good luck!
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Thanks for pretty much confirming what I thought. (y) I was worried that at 200k I might be playing roulette but this truck is in really nice condition (I'm the 2nd private owner, first private owner had it from new until 2015 when I bought it from a dealer.)

Total repair costs (I don't include "upgrade" costs because I'd likely have them in any vehicle) have been less than $4000 for the 3 years I've owned it and half of that was the transmission. I've done the brakes twice @ $800 each time (towing down steep passes takes a toll on them) and other than that it's been minor stuff.

Last "repair" was a CEL caused by a faulty O2 sensor. $25 at Auto Zone and 15 minutes in the garage and it was all fixed. :)
 

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