I have the AT2's on my LR3 but they are P rating. I plan to go up to 285/60 LT's. They have worn well and they are good offroad other than in deep mud. I don't know when the previous owner put them on so not exactly sure how many miles are on them but i believe it was in his first year of ownership. He was only putting 5k/yr on the truck so I'm thinking they have about 25 or 30k on them now. I bought the vehicle with 20k miles and now have 35k and they still have some life left in them. I'll probably replace them in 3 to 4 months (another 5K). I see that some people are saying they are getting 50 to 60k on LR3's with BFG AT's, that is amazing to me. I don't think I could have done anything to get these tires to go that long. I'd like to try BFG AT's if people are having that much luck but they don't come in 285/60.
Tire decision block!
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Jwestpro
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all of the tires that will "fit" in an unmodified lr3/4 will fit underneath in the stock location. 265/65x18 and 285/60x18 will fit. 275/65x18 probably wouldn't fit well though
Jwestpro
Explorer
Why do you want 285/60? 265/65 is just fine.
Good point. Both are the same diameter. The 285/60 is generally 0.7" wider than the 265/65. The 265/65 will tuck/articulate better.
Thanks for pointing this out Jwestpro and mpinco. A few reasons I was thinking 285/60:
1 is that I was under the impression the slightly larger (approx. 31.6 vs. 31.4 was just enough so that I'd have rubbing issues when looking at the 285/60 vs. 265/65. If I'm wrong please let me know.
2nd reason is that I totally missed that the BFG AT's are available in 265/65. If you guys can confirm the 265/65 are better in terms of clearance, that would be great. It seems like you feel that they will be correct?
3rd reason is I can't decide if I think the BFG AT's are 300 per set better than the Grabber AT2's. I am reasonably happy with the Grabber AT2's I have now but seems like i'm probably only going to get about 35k miles out of them. If people are really getting 45-50k miles +/- out of the BFG's it's definitely worth it.
1 is that I was under the impression the slightly larger (approx. 31.6 vs. 31.4 was just enough so that I'd have rubbing issues when looking at the 285/60 vs. 265/65. If I'm wrong please let me know.
2nd reason is that I totally missed that the BFG AT's are available in 265/65. If you guys can confirm the 265/65 are better in terms of clearance, that would be great. It seems like you feel that they will be correct?
3rd reason is I can't decide if I think the BFG AT's are 300 per set better than the Grabber AT2's. I am reasonably happy with the Grabber AT2's I have now but seems like i'm probably only going to get about 35k miles out of them. If people are really getting 45-50k miles +/- out of the BFG's it's definitely worth it.
Jwestpro
Explorer
285/60 is however wider than 265/65, any gains by .1" radius are negated by much more width.
Is the Grabber AT2 available as an E load range tire with 10ply design like the BFG AT?
I see you're in Maine? For better winter traction I get the tire shop to "sipe" my BFG AT tires.
As for mileage, my vehicle generally weighs 7000-8000 lbs depending on the set up. The BFG AT I just pulled off was only pulled off because we're going into winter and I had another new set already in the garage. I may put my older ones on a trailer but I could have just left them on still for another 10,000 with the 5mm depth left.
Is the Grabber AT2 available as an E load range tire with 10ply design like the BFG AT?
I see you're in Maine? For better winter traction I get the tire shop to "sipe" my BFG AT tires.
As for mileage, my vehicle generally weighs 7000-8000 lbs depending on the set up. The BFG AT I just pulled off was only pulled off because we're going into winter and I had another new set already in the garage. I may put my older ones on a trailer but I could have just left them on still for another 10,000 with the 5mm depth left.
I don't have the E right now and I definitely want E next time. Mine are too soft for the weight of the vehicle, you can feel them "roll" around corners. The grabbers are 2 ply sidewall vs BFG 3 ply but not sure of tread ply, does anyone else know for sure?
Thanks for the tip on the siping.
Jwest you are getting great mileage out of the BFG's. I remember getting 45k miles or so out of the BFG's on a D1 as well as on a jeep Cherokee a long time ago.
Thanks for the tip on the siping.
Jwest you are getting great mileage out of the BFG's. I remember getting 45k miles or so out of the BFG's on a D1 as well as on a jeep Cherokee a long time ago.
Years ago I had General Grabber AT2's on my RRC LWB. They were one of the best tires in ice/snow. No additional sipping needed. Gripped like glue in Eastern Colorado white outs and snow packed roads. The only issue I have seen reported are balancing issues. Mine were fine.
General's web site only list 285/60's, not 265/65's for the AT2
General's web site only list 285/60's, not 265/65's for the AT2
I would have prefered the 265/65/18 size as well, but couldn't swing the 337 msrp for the BFG AT KO with the E rating. Thats why I went with the Grabbers in 285/60/18. I don't recall finding any other 18" LT tires (or E-rated, whatever is the correct phrase) < 31.5" in the price range of the Grabbers. Anyone else know of any?
Unfortunately, I have this wire http://lr3tips.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/bigger-tires-move-this-wire/ I tried moving it last night, but there is not much slack in it. I am gong to have to do more than just move the one clip. I've seen comments about using zip ties, but there is not much clearance behind the frame rand exhaust along there, so I am concerned about heat. I definitely need to move it...the 285/60's rub at full left lock at access height, even without full suspension compression.
I'll try to get some pics up later if anyone is interested in seeing the Grabbers on with no lift.
Unfortunately, I have this wire http://lr3tips.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/bigger-tires-move-this-wire/ I tried moving it last night, but there is not much slack in it. I am gong to have to do more than just move the one clip. I've seen comments about using zip ties, but there is not much clearance behind the frame rand exhaust along there, so I am concerned about heat. I definitely need to move it...the 285/60's rub at full left lock at access height, even without full suspension compression.
I'll try to get some pics up later if anyone is interested in seeing the Grabbers on with no lift.
Ah this is easy, but catches a few guys off in the beginning. The secret is the upper control arm bracket right above where the wire is doesn't fully connect with the frame. There is a small opening at the end where it meets the frame. Use a zip tie through this opening to hold the wire off. So undo the 1 white plastic loom holder. Then pass a zip tie around the wire loom and through the small opening in the bracket. And thats it. The wires will be a little tight, there is not much slack. But you only need to move the wires up an inch or two.
Don't worry about the heat - Mine's been that way for a couple years now. It isn't that close to the cat to get really hot/brittle
Globalguy5
New member
I have been running the Cooper AT3 for almost two years now. Tire specs are LT275/65R18. I have very little rubbing. The wheel tire combo fills the wheel well nicely. I run Johnson rods when off-road. I have them balanced/rotated on schedule. I don't believe the tire store used the tight tolerance mode. Tires are wearing nicely with no cupping. I "moved the wire" as others have mentioned. I only have great things to say about these Cooper tires. The LT rating is perfect for this truck. It feels really solid and has no problem handling the weight. The tires have great on road manners and are very quiet. For the off-roading I do I think the tires perform very well. This is a M+S rated tire. Only the stickiest mud/snow will clog the tread. Overall, I think the tire cleans itself out pretty well. This is my daily driver. If anyone would like pics I'm happy to post.