Trail gear vs All Pro front/rear bumpers and sliders.
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RememberTheFallen
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This forum is getting pretty bad with all of the arguing. Holy crap, he stated that it was HIS opinion!
What information are you bringing to the OP? Just chime in to argue?
What information are you bringing to the OP? Just chime in to argue?
********... Yeah i know. AP was pretty helpful with answering my questions via email. Haven't contacted TG, yet.
Box rocket.... Off topic, how do you like your HIDs on the front bumper? I have two of those that I use on the roof on the front of my basket. I want to put a LED bar on the roof since it's lower profile and was debating on moving the HIDs to the bumper and possibly adding a third or getting a LED bar and put it on the bumper.
Box Rocket
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I wanna get in on the arguing.....so I say CBI has a better slider design than both the others
Box Rocket
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For an entry level HID they are great. I've been really happy with them.
Are three HIDs too much or just the right amount of light?
Box Rocket
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I prefer the 3 lights. I keep the center one aimed straight forward with a bit greater distance. The two outside ones are angled out slightly and a touch lower to give better fill and width to the pattern.
cam-shaft
Bluebird days
^well what he said.^. Do either the all pro or trail gear sliders wrap under the frame or are they just welded to the side of the frame?I wanna get in on the arguing.....so I say CBI has a better slider design than both the others
Cam-shaft
RememberTheFallen
Explorer
^well what he said.^. Do either the all pro or trail gear sliders wrap under the frame or are they just welded to the side of the frame?
Cam-shaft
The Trail Gear sliders have an L shaped bracket that is welded to side and bottom. Not sure about the All Pro one. If I remember correctly the TG sliders are made of a cheaper grade of tubing then the AP ones. The TG ones were good enough for me.
Box Rocket
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From TG's site.
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Slider description:
"Trail-Gear has designed it's Rock Sliders to be the strongest on the market, starting with 1 3/4" OD x .120 wall 1035 DOM. Trail-Gear Rock Sliders are the only rock sliders on the market that use 1035 DOM tubing, based on our testing we believe that using DOM tubing in this application makes our rock sliders the strongest, most affordable available today."
TG front bumper mounting is plenty strong IMO. If you look at my bumper there is a fully welded 1/4" thick crossmember that spans the front frame horns and attaches with all the factory 19mm bolts (4 on the bottom that are used for the factory tow hooks). Then the bumper itself is bolted to the new crossmember using 6 17mm bolts on the face of the crossmember and 4 more (2 per side) on the sides of the crossmember using factory holes in the frame. So 8 bolts holding the crossmember and 10 bolts holding the bumper. No concern from me regarding any impact, recovery or winching.
this photo shows how the tubing portion of the TG bumper is tied back into the sides of the crossmember with plating that attaches to the upper tubing. This gives much better support IMO for winching and there is less leverage on the lower mounting points if forces are applied to the upper parts of the bumper.
The sliders mount using scab plates that are welded to the frame. The attach to the frame on the outside and the bottom of the frame and have holes for plug welds. The leg tubes are gusseted.
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Slider description:
"Trail-Gear has designed it's Rock Sliders to be the strongest on the market, starting with 1 3/4" OD x .120 wall 1035 DOM. Trail-Gear Rock Sliders are the only rock sliders on the market that use 1035 DOM tubing, based on our testing we believe that using DOM tubing in this application makes our rock sliders the strongest, most affordable available today."
TG front bumper mounting is plenty strong IMO. If you look at my bumper there is a fully welded 1/4" thick crossmember that spans the front frame horns and attaches with all the factory 19mm bolts (4 on the bottom that are used for the factory tow hooks). Then the bumper itself is bolted to the new crossmember using 6 17mm bolts on the face of the crossmember and 4 more (2 per side) on the sides of the crossmember using factory holes in the frame. So 8 bolts holding the crossmember and 10 bolts holding the bumper. No concern from me regarding any impact, recovery or winching.
this photo shows how the tubing portion of the TG bumper is tied back into the sides of the crossmember with plating that attaches to the upper tubing. This gives much better support IMO for winching and there is less leverage on the lower mounting points if forces are applied to the upper parts of the bumper.
The sliders mount using scab plates that are welded to the frame. The attach to the frame on the outside and the bottom of the frame and have holes for plug welds. The leg tubes are gusseted.
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Box Rocket
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From All Pro's site.
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Bumper description:
"This bumper is mostly built from heavy-duty .120 wall, 1.75" and 1.5" diameter tubing with CNC laser cut and brake formed 3/16" plate steel for the winch structure and mounting plates. The sides wrap around the fenders and there's a bottom hoop that serves as protection for the low hanging radiator with an integrated steel skid plate."
Same diameter tubing as the TG bumper but no mention of using DOM. I don't know for sure what AP is using but I would think if it was DOM they would say so. Also the mounting to the frame is mostly at the same locations as the TG bumper but does not have a crossmember that spans the frame horns. Rather the mounting is tied together with the bumper tubing.
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This is the bumper mounting bracket on the AP bumper.
https://www.allprooffroad.com/images/stories/Tacoma/trailarmor/9504bumpers/front/95-04tacomafrontbumperJ-640.jpg[/img[
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From AP's site regarding their sliders:
[I]"The tubular structure is fabricated from heavy-duty 1.75" x .120" wall tubing sourced from US Steel Mills for industry-leading strength. The outer tube angles upward to provide more ground clearance and door protection. The rear of our Rock Sliders extend outward just before the rear wheels to provide extra body protection where it is needed most."[/I]
Again, same diameter and wall thickness tubing as the TG ones, but no mention of DOM. One differing feature is the kickout offered on the AP sliders.
Mounting plates are also welded to the frame but only on the outside of the frame, not across the bottom as well like the TG ones.
[img]https://www.allprooffroad.com/images/stories/Tacoma/TrailArmor/9504rockguards.jpg
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Bumper description:
"This bumper is mostly built from heavy-duty .120 wall, 1.75" and 1.5" diameter tubing with CNC laser cut and brake formed 3/16" plate steel for the winch structure and mounting plates. The sides wrap around the fenders and there's a bottom hoop that serves as protection for the low hanging radiator with an integrated steel skid plate."
Same diameter tubing as the TG bumper but no mention of using DOM. I don't know for sure what AP is using but I would think if it was DOM they would say so. Also the mounting to the frame is mostly at the same locations as the TG bumper but does not have a crossmember that spans the frame horns. Rather the mounting is tied together with the bumper tubing.
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This is the bumper mounting bracket on the AP bumper.
https://www.allprooffroad.com/images/stories/Tacoma/trailarmor/9504bumpers/front/95-04tacomafrontbumperJ-640.jpg[/img[
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From AP's site regarding their sliders:
[I]"The tubular structure is fabricated from heavy-duty 1.75" x .120" wall tubing sourced from US Steel Mills for industry-leading strength. The outer tube angles upward to provide more ground clearance and door protection. The rear of our Rock Sliders extend outward just before the rear wheels to provide extra body protection where it is needed most."[/I]
Again, same diameter and wall thickness tubing as the TG ones, but no mention of DOM. One differing feature is the kickout offered on the AP sliders.
Mounting plates are also welded to the frame but only on the outside of the frame, not across the bottom as well like the TG ones.
[img]https://www.allprooffroad.com/images/stories/Tacoma/TrailArmor/9504rockguards.jpg
RememberTheFallen
Explorer
I could have sworn it was mild steel for TG vs chromoly for AP. Thought that was the reason for the price. I can not find anything on it now. Wrong once again!
Like I said though, I went with the TG ones anyway.
EDIT: it was HREW vs DOM. Couldn't remember which was which then. Could have sworn that the TG sliders were HREW. Maybe they have changed that the last couple of years?
Like I said though, I went with the TG ones anyway.
EDIT: it was HREW vs DOM. Couldn't remember which was which then. Could have sworn that the TG sliders were HREW. Maybe they have changed that the last couple of years?
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