hillbillyjake
Explorer
was looking on amazon and came across this stuff. any one know anything about it? seems to be rpiced cheaper than everything else, just wondering if it was cheaper or more affordable. thanks
tuff stuff synthetic winch line?
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IXNAYXJ
Adventurer
I looked them up on Amazon and saw this product description:
"The TUFF STUFF Synthetic Winch Rope is a 12-Strand braided cable-rope utilizing Dyneema® fiber. The Macromolecular Polyethylene material used to construct these ropes enables very low elongation and is 15 times stronger than wire cables. Yet it will NOT recoil if broken! This cable-rope resists UV radiation, water, temperature variation and has a long service life."
This makes me nervous, as much of that is inaccurate. 15 times stonger than steel? That would give a 5/16" synthetic line a breaking strength of something like 150,000 pounds...and they're advertising 1/2" and 3/4" lines! It looks like they're trying to pass off Amsteel as Amsteel Blue...which ARE different. Regular Amsteel has roughly the same breaking strength as regular steel cable...notice how they never say "Amsteel Blue" on the page?
If you're looking for a great deal on genuine Amsteel Blue winch rope, try www.AmsteelBlue.com
-----Matt-----
"The TUFF STUFF Synthetic Winch Rope is a 12-Strand braided cable-rope utilizing Dyneema® fiber. The Macromolecular Polyethylene material used to construct these ropes enables very low elongation and is 15 times stronger than wire cables. Yet it will NOT recoil if broken! This cable-rope resists UV radiation, water, temperature variation and has a long service life."
This makes me nervous, as much of that is inaccurate. 15 times stonger than steel? That would give a 5/16" synthetic line a breaking strength of something like 150,000 pounds...and they're advertising 1/2" and 3/4" lines! It looks like they're trying to pass off Amsteel as Amsteel Blue...which ARE different. Regular Amsteel has roughly the same breaking strength as regular steel cable...notice how they never say "Amsteel Blue" on the page?
If you're looking for a great deal on genuine Amsteel Blue winch rope, try www.AmsteelBlue.com
-----Matt-----
LandCruiserPhil
Expedition Leader
hillbillyjake
Explorer
the 15x stronger than steel scared me too. to good to be true i guess. thanks guys
michaelgroves
Explorer
15 times stronger than steel will be a weight for weight measure. Valid, but misleading.
Truck_and_winch
New member
Tuff Stuff Winch Rope
Tuff Stuff is not trying to misrepresent this line in any way. This synthetic winch line is made of Dyneema 12-strand Polyethylene (HMPE) braided rope, which is the same as most synthetic winch lines you will find on amsteelblue.com or other sites selling similar product. The price is no indication as to the quality- We are wholesale direct dealer, not a dealer marking these ropes up 50-75%... That is why you will find the rope on Amazon or Ebay for so much cheaper.
The material is a patented material and cannot be altered, therefore the strength characteristics are as the manufacturer states when we buy them.
The quality is undoubtedly superior to cable, and although the "15 times stronger" may be slightly inaccurate or somewhat "misleading" as some may say; they ARE up to 40% stronger than cable. We have sold thousands of these lines over the years, and have yet to encounter a problem with any customers using them correctly- Only praises in regards to their superiority.
If for any reason you should have an issue with your Tuff Stuff Synthetic winch line, please contact Truck and Winch directly, and we will be happy to replace it. Our Synthetic lines also include a free Tuff Stuff rock guard to prevent fraying/damaging/ripping, and can be moved up and down the line freely.
We also offer very affordable Tuff Stuff Hawse aluminum fairleads which I would recommend for proper heat dissipation and minimization of the line getting caught in the roller style fairleads...
I hope this clears things up a bit.
Sorry for the confusion guys!
Tuff Stuff is not trying to misrepresent this line in any way. This synthetic winch line is made of Dyneema 12-strand Polyethylene (HMPE) braided rope, which is the same as most synthetic winch lines you will find on amsteelblue.com or other sites selling similar product. The price is no indication as to the quality- We are wholesale direct dealer, not a dealer marking these ropes up 50-75%... That is why you will find the rope on Amazon or Ebay for so much cheaper.
The material is a patented material and cannot be altered, therefore the strength characteristics are as the manufacturer states when we buy them.
The quality is undoubtedly superior to cable, and although the "15 times stronger" may be slightly inaccurate or somewhat "misleading" as some may say; they ARE up to 40% stronger than cable. We have sold thousands of these lines over the years, and have yet to encounter a problem with any customers using them correctly- Only praises in regards to their superiority.
If for any reason you should have an issue with your Tuff Stuff Synthetic winch line, please contact Truck and Winch directly, and we will be happy to replace it. Our Synthetic lines also include a free Tuff Stuff rock guard to prevent fraying/damaging/ripping, and can be moved up and down the line freely.
We also offer very affordable Tuff Stuff Hawse aluminum fairleads which I would recommend for proper heat dissipation and minimization of the line getting caught in the roller style fairleads...
I hope this clears things up a bit.
Sorry for the confusion guys!
Chas Stricker
Adventurer
So....is this 3/4 inch stuff rated for use with 9,000 lb winches or higher. I was looking for a winch extension for a 20,000 lb winch.
Thanks,
Chas
Thanks,
Chas
Truck_and_winch
New member
3/4" synthetic winch rope rated for 9000Lbs and above
The 3/4" synthetic winch rope will easily work for any winch above 9,000LBS, but may not be necessary. My theory is it's never a bad idea to go overkill on your recovery arsenal. You never know what type conditions you will encounter (grades, additional weight, obstacles etc.)
For the price- I would upgrade and go with the ¾ instead of the ½”... It's worth the extra money.
The 3/4" synthetic winch rope will easily work for any winch above 9,000LBS, but may not be necessary. My theory is it's never a bad idea to go overkill on your recovery arsenal. You never know what type conditions you will encounter (grades, additional weight, obstacles etc.)
For the price- I would upgrade and go with the ¾ instead of the ½”... It's worth the extra money.
Chas Stricker
Adventurer
OK...I'm a bit slow. What is the 3/4 inch load rated for..breaking and working stength? Thanks,
Chas
Chas
StumpXJ
SE Expedition Society
Im having a hard time even visualizing 3/4 thick line. I am thinking you could only get maybe 40 feet or so on a winch that would normally hold 100 feet of 5/16 line (what I currently run). Am I wrong in this or missing something?
Is this truly the diameter of the line? While under a load or no? I know when I got my 5/16 Amsteel blue it was 'fluffy' when new, but as soon as I spooled it on the winch under a load, it cinched down to about 5/16 diameter.
Is there a chart somewhere on your site that shows the weight capacities? I need another rope for my rear winch, and the price is right, but im a little skeptical like the rest.
You say its the same as anyone else selling similar stuff like amsteelblue.com, is this Amsteel, or is this Amsteel Blue rope, with the differences listed here - http://www.sailingservices.com/running_rig/rope_spectron12.htm
If it truly is amsteelblue, like you mentioned, why do you only sell the huge diameter sizes? Can you get smaller sizes? 3/8 or 5/16?
Not trying to gang up on you, and thanks for coming here to answer questions, just need to get my facts straight before I spend my hard earned money only to be disapointed.
Thanks, James
Is this truly the diameter of the line? While under a load or no? I know when I got my 5/16 Amsteel blue it was 'fluffy' when new, but as soon as I spooled it on the winch under a load, it cinched down to about 5/16 diameter.
Is there a chart somewhere on your site that shows the weight capacities? I need another rope for my rear winch, and the price is right, but im a little skeptical like the rest.
You say its the same as anyone else selling similar stuff like amsteelblue.com, is this Amsteel, or is this Amsteel Blue rope, with the differences listed here - http://www.sailingservices.com/running_rig/rope_spectron12.htm
If it truly is amsteelblue, like you mentioned, why do you only sell the huge diameter sizes? Can you get smaller sizes? 3/8 or 5/16?
Not trying to gang up on you, and thanks for coming here to answer questions, just need to get my facts straight before I spend my hard earned money only to be disapointed.
Thanks, James
crismateski
American Adventurist
I can not speak for the synthetic line, but I purchased a tuffstuff 1250 winch about 3 years ago from truckandwinch, and have been very happy with it. I ran it on my 2004 dodge 2500 for 2 years, and now it is the rear winch on my power wagon. The company was great to work with, and was willing to meet me at the shop on a Sunday so I could pick it up and not pay shipping charges. When it is time to replace my line, I will most likely order there synthetic.
Metcalf
Expedition Leader
I recently purchased this version.....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GREY-92-X-3...Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item20c123b4a2
Shipping was quick, great price, etc.
I un-boxed it the other day. The line is going on my old school Belleview winch ( the 8274's daddy ). I will try and update this thread as I get some use on the line.....
Pros-
-92' of 3/8" line for $160 shipped! This beat everything I could find by a wide margin.
-the lug on the end looks to be crimped on well
-Stainless 'tube' style thimble
-loop at the thimble looks to be well done.
-chafe guard AND a section of tubular webbing over the line
-GREY line, I didn't like the normal blue you see on lower cost packages most of the time
-Decent quality hook with a nice heavy spring in the catch.
-BLACK hook, I don't like the yellow ones.
The feel and texture of the line seems identical to all the other synthetic winch line I have used over the last decade or so.
Cons-
-Only 92' of line available. For my upright winch I have the ability to put more on the drum. Something in the 125' range would be nice. If the line works out well I will probably buy another section and add 50-60' to the main winch line and use the rest for an extension.
I will try and update with some pics and info after use....
So far, good product, great price.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GREY-92-X-3...Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item20c123b4a2
Shipping was quick, great price, etc.
I un-boxed it the other day. The line is going on my old school Belleview winch ( the 8274's daddy ). I will try and update this thread as I get some use on the line.....
Pros-
-92' of 3/8" line for $160 shipped! This beat everything I could find by a wide margin.
-the lug on the end looks to be crimped on well
-Stainless 'tube' style thimble
-loop at the thimble looks to be well done.
-chafe guard AND a section of tubular webbing over the line
-GREY line, I didn't like the normal blue you see on lower cost packages most of the time
-Decent quality hook with a nice heavy spring in the catch.
-BLACK hook, I don't like the yellow ones.
The feel and texture of the line seems identical to all the other synthetic winch line I have used over the last decade or so.
Cons-
-Only 92' of line available. For my upright winch I have the ability to put more on the drum. Something in the 125' range would be nice. If the line works out well I will probably buy another section and add 50-60' to the main winch line and use the rest for an extension.
I will try and update with some pics and info after use....
So far, good product, great price.
The steel line on my 8274 is old and frayed. I've been thinking about switching to synthetic. A cheap, but good rope would be nice.
I found some info on Dyneema 12-Strand rope here: http://www.bexco.be/content/bexconet/uploads/docs/Dyneema 12 strand.pdf
Assuming it's the right data, it looks the like the 1/2" (12mm) rope has a min. breaking load of 181.5 kn or ~40,800 lbs. That's about 10% lower than the same size AmSteel Blue according to the link supplied above.
However http://www.pelicanrope.com/dyneema_ropes.html lists load ratings that are different than the .pdf above. The difference is very close to being 1 size different. I'm not sure what that means.
I found some info on Dyneema 12-Strand rope here: http://www.bexco.be/content/bexconet/uploads/docs/Dyneema 12 strand.pdf
Assuming it's the right data, it looks the like the 1/2" (12mm) rope has a min. breaking load of 181.5 kn or ~40,800 lbs. That's about 10% lower than the same size AmSteel Blue according to the link supplied above.
However http://www.pelicanrope.com/dyneema_ropes.html lists load ratings that are different than the .pdf above. The difference is very close to being 1 size different. I'm not sure what that means.
Guys it seems as though this stuff is one of those to good to be true things but it really is good! I'm the VP of a towing accessories business and we have done live testing in a load bed. Everytime the synthetic rope out lasted the wire rope. It is a more expensive product than wire rope and must be taken care of but for those of us who use it day in and out it is a back saver and much safer in case of a break. We recommend to our customers to buy the extension piece first if you are questioning the product. If you like it, buy the rope next!