Tundra vs 5.9 Cummins - Help!

[plainjaneFJC]

And you still are not following.

The data used based upon 5 months of actual fuel costs was used as a sample to provide the data needed to show real world trends.

That data was then applied to 5 years of ownership.

From personal experience I agree it doesn't pencil it. For some reason I still have one, I think the next truck in 3 or 4 years will be a gasser.

 

[Clutch]

Nothing decided yet, but come next year, I might have to do just that. The garage won't comfortably fit a minivan and the truck. So instead of getting rid of her Subaru, I might have to trade the truck in for a minivan (gag) and drive the Sub. If that happens, I'll definitely get a trailer (probably a folding). But I'm hoping we'll think of another solution first.
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I really wish she were more comfortable with bigger cars. I'd get her a Nissan NV. 2WD, and that may be a hang up. Although, some of these guys living in snow country don't think it's that big of a deal.
http://forum.expeditionportal.com/threads/174558-2WD-van-in-the-winter-snow

Do like mini-vans (did I just say that outloud!? ) They are immensely practical for swallowing people and gear. When we used to race mountain bikes, we used to rent them. Be nice Toyota or Honda would make an AWD utility version of their mini-vans. There is the the Mercedes Metris, which its' 2500 lbs payload puts a lot of big ol' Murican trucks to shame. Heck it even comes with paddle shifters! Why on earth you would need paddle shifters in a van I do not know, but it has 'em!

Really wish we could get the Toyota HiAce or VW T6 here with 4WD that would be about the perfect vehicle for me.



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Our Trooper is RWD, have a set of studded snow tires for it. We do get a lot of black ice here in the winter, and it does fine. About the same as my Tacoma [in 4WD] with severe conditions rated all terrains. That said, the Taco is getting full on snow tires this winter...had a couple a butt puckering moments with both vehicles last year, coming down some ice covered hills. 4WD is just adds a little more security/safety. The Taco I could stomp on the throttle and it would pull out of spin, where the Trooper you had to take it a bit more gingerly not to end up in the ditch.

 

[IdaSHO]

Firstly, reread your own comment (in bold) as you are contradicting yourself.

Are you really that dense?

Key word here is ACTUAL

Now go back and re-read what I wrote.

Or here.... Ill quote it for you again...

Nowhere does it say actual fuel and ownership costs were based on 5 years of ownership. Nowhere.


As in, take the numbers provided by 5 months of fuel cost data (averaged) , and apply it to 5 years of ownership, with 15k miles driven annually.

Again, key word is ACTUAL.

ACTUAL numbers were used from 5-months of data.

Those numbers were averaged, then applied to a proposed 5 years.

Is it REALLY that hard to wrap your brain around that??



And I'm joining in with others, and will be placing you on ignore.

Have a nice life.

 

[Dalko43]

Those numbers were averaged, then applied to a proposed 5 years.

I've been saying that from the beginning.

My point, which you refuse to acknowledge, is that the assumed fuel costs (and the delta between gasoline and diesel vehicles) don't reflect reality. But I think our back-and-forth is done.

 

[Ducky's Dad]

A stock frontier doesnt handle 1000 lbs well, let alone 1500 + another 3-500 in other gear.

My Tundra CrewMax got hit by some kid on a bicycle, while the truck was parked. The rental I picked up yesterday happens to be a 2017 Frontier 4WD. It runs well but I feel like I'm driving a toy truck. It seems even smaller than my early 70s Toyota or my old Mazda, and the bed is tiny. But it's all I could get on short notice.

 

[gtbensley]

My Tundra CrewMax got hit by some kid on a bicycle, while the truck was parked. The rental I picked up yesterday happens to be a 2017 Frontier 4WD. It runs well but I feel like I'm driving a toy truck. It seems even smaller than my early 70s Toyota or my old Mazda, and the bed is tiny. But it's all I could get on short notice.

A Tundra Crew Max and a Frontier probably have similar payload ratings. The may only differ by a few hundred pounds. Thats not to say that the Tundra wont handle it better.

This gas vs diesel debate is getting pretty old. People by what they want and that doesnt always have to be the most cost effective option.

 

[Clutch]

This gas vs diesel debate is getting pretty old. People by what they want and that doesnt always have to be the most cost effective option.

Indeed it is, gotta buy the right tool for the job...so glad I don't work construction anymore, and don't have to deal with all that stuff anymore. Our shop used to next to a Chevy dealership, there was a flashy bright red brandy new 1 ton dump sitting there we all were eye balling, over our old clapped F350 we had been nursing for years. My uncle just happen to take it for a test drive and brought it over for us guys to drool over..."Hey guys, what do you think?"...ooh ahhh, that is really nice..."Should we get it?...ooh yeah! get it get it!!!..."Ok, on one condition, you guys have to help pay for it, we can take a little bit out of your paychecks until it is paid off".... ahhh...ummm, we'll just stick with the old one.

 

[Clutch]

Well, on the other hand, too low of miles could mean trouble as well. Seals don't get regularly lubricated, as well as the engine, etc.

Best friend called me up yesterday to tell me he just sold his Tacoma, had it for 19 years, [think I bought mine 1-2 years after him] only had 140K with is low for a Tacoma given its's age. Said a lot of the seals and rubber is starting to go, doesn't drive it very much...sold it to let someone else deal with it. Going to replace it with a car that gets good mileage for road tripping.

 

[p nut]

Do like mini-vans (did I just say that outloud!? ) They are immensely practical for swallowing people and gear. When we used to race mountain bikes, we used to rent them. Be nice Toyota or Honda would make an AWD utility version of their mini-vans. There is the the Mercedes Metris, which its' 2500 lbs payload puts a lot of big ol' Murican trucks to shame. Heck it even comes with paddle shifters! Why on earth you would need paddle shifters in a van I do not know, but it has 'em!

Really wish we could get the Toyota HiAce or VW T6 here with 4WD that would be about the perfect vehicle for me.

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Our Trooper is RWD, have a set of studded snow tires for it. We do get a lot of black ice here in the winter, and it does fine. About the same as my Tacoma [in 4WD] with severe conditions rated all terrains. That said, the Taco is getting full on snow tires this winter...had a couple a butt puckering moments with both vehicles last year, coming down some ice covered hills. 4WD is just adds a little more security/safety. The Taco I could stomp on the throttle and it would pull out of spin, where the Trooper you had to take it a bit more gingerly not to end up in the ditch.

Vans are definitely nice for people and cargo hauling. The wife will love it as she is constantly picking and dropping off kids (ours and neighbors'). Good to hear that the 2WD does ok in the winter. I would imagine the NV would do even better due to its weight(?). But that's just daydream talk. She'd never drive something so gargantuan.

A Tundra Crew Max and a Frontier probably have similar payload ratings. The may only differ by a few hundred pounds. Thats not to say that the Tundra wont handle it better...

Depending on trim/options, they may even have the same payload. Tundra would handle it better, but hauling that much regularly, you'd definitely need to keep up on maintenance.

Best friend called me up yesterday to tell me he just sold his Tacoma, had it for 19 years, [think I bought mine 1-2 years after him] only had 140K with is low for a Tacoma given its's age. Said a lot of the seals and rubber is starting to go, doesn't drive it very much...sold it to let someone else deal with it. Going to replace it with a car that gets good mileage for road tripping.

You should've bought it! But I'm guessing he probably got top dollar for it.

 

[Clutch]

Vans are definitely nice for people and cargo hauling. The wife will love it as she is constantly picking and dropping off kids (ours and neighbors'). Good to hear that the 2WD does ok in the winter. I would imagine the NV would do even better due to its weight(?). But that's just daydream talk. She'd never drive something so gargantuan.

It should be ok in the snow...tires make all the difference. Honestly...I wouldn't want to drive that thing either. I keep on looking at F150's...and still can't get over how big they are.

You should've bought it! But I'm guessing he probably got top dollar for it.

Didn't even know it was for sale, dang it!

He doesn't pay too much attention to all the this vehicle BS we all pine over...he sold it waaaay too cheap.

You think I am cheap SOB...he...well, is one of the cheapest people I know...he is doing something right, think he is 43 and retired.

 

[p nut]

It should be ok in the snow...tires make all the difference. Honestly...I wouldn't want to drive that thing either. I keep on looking at F150's...and still can't get over how big they are.

Didn't even know it was for sale, dang it!

He doesn't pay too much attention to all the this vehicle BS we all pine over...he sold it waaaay too cheap.

You think I am cheap SOB...he...well, is one of the cheapest people I know...he is doing something right, think he is 43 and retired.

The F150's are definitely big. After 2 years, I'm still getting used to parking. And that's true with all fullsize trucks. But how much time do you spend parking vs driving the thing??!! Driving/comfort/safety/utility/capacity---it's well worth the hassle of parking 10 more paces away! :elkgrin:
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And retiring ain't all that. Boooooring

 

[Clutch]

The F150's are definitely big. After 2 years, I'm still getting used to parking. And that's true with all fullsize trucks. But how much time do you spend parking vs driving the thing??!! Driving/comfort/safety/utility/capacity---it's well worth the hassle of parking 10 more paces away! :elkgrin:
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And retiring ain't all that. Boooooring

Parking is pretty easy here (I am not much a shopper nor like to go downtown)...have a decent size lot at work, or can park on the street which is always open, except for the occasional funeral home couple doors down.

Dunno...yous know me indecisive as a chick at a shoe store!

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Oh, I think I could keep myself busy...


...plan is to ride a moto around the world one day. I am shooting to retire in 5 years, she was talking of maybe letting me do it in 2. We will see.

Was kinda doing a semi retired thing for a bit, but I don't know what happened...have more work than I know what to do with it. Most of this year I have been working 5-6 days a week 10-12 hour days, not sure how long I can keep that up. Work is a four letter word!

 

[IdaSHO]

Parking should be a non-issue with these new trucks.

Compared to all of my old leaf sprung rigs, the new superduties turn WAY tight.

Turning radius is much improved.

 

[Clutch]

Parking should be a non-issue with these new trucks.

Compared to all of my old leaf sprung rigs, the new superduties turn WAY tight.

Turning radius is much improved.

Hell, with those size trucks you can park it anywhere you damn well please, right!?

It is some of the trails I take that worries me, some places I like to go I can barely fit a 1st Tacoma...IIRC the F150 is 14" wider. Approach angle looks horrible too (don't know the actual numbers off hand, will have to look it up)

Though with a lift it doesn't look too bad, of course mileage goes to ******** then...(stock Taco is pretty much ready to go right off the dealer floor, don't need to lift them)



New midsizes are super close to my old '76 F250. Track width of the 3rd gen Taco is at 63" and some change, and the old Ford was 64ish. Crazy how the new "small" trucks are nearly the size of the old fullsizes.

 

[p nut]

Hell, with those size trucks you can park it anywhere you damn well please, right!?

It is some of the trails I take that worries me, some places I like to go I can barely fit a 1st Tacoma...IIRC the F150 is 14" wider. Approach angle looks horrible too (don't know the actual numbers off hand, will have to look it up)

Though with a lift it doesn't look too bad, of course mileage goes to ******** then...(stock Taco is pretty much ready to go right off the dealer floor, don't need to lift them)

New midsizes are super close to my old '76 F250. Track width of the 3rd gen Taco is at 63" and some change, and the old Ford was 64ish. Crazy how the new "small" trucks are nearly the size of the old fullsizes.

C'mon, man! You getting your facts from trump??? F150 is only 5" wider. F150: 79.9" Tacoma: 75.2".
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I'll have to agree on the approach angle. Well, if off-road capability is lacking, you can just simply do a front level. 33" tires fit at stock height as well.

EDIT: Well, now I'm the one looking like trump....err....idiot. You're talking about your 1st gen Taco. Ok, nevermind. Skip my comment.