Tundra vs 5.9 Cummins - Help!

p nut

butter
Yeah, the 2.7L gets screwed with 6,500lb GVWR while 3.5 and 5.0 get 7k. I thought it was just suspension, but apparently, the axles, springs, etc. are all different. Oh well. I'll enjoy the softer ride hauling my daily load of a shovel and 3 tie downs. :D
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Also, do note he said 1,500lb PLUS. So it could be more. Then add passengers and dogs, and their cargo...
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If I were the OP, I'd get a "Heavy Half", hi-top shell, and enjoy all that room back there. Plenty for cargo and sleeping. More importantly, no worries of overloading, sagging rear, or bouncing off the bump stops.
 

Laps

Active member
I've owned a 2002 Dodge Ram 2500 (4x4) with the Cummins and a 2000 Tundra (4x4). I traded them both in for a 2012 Ram 3500 (SRW). The Tundra had terrible electrical harness problems. I had zero problems with the Ram and it was night and day in favor of the Ram for towing. The Tundra seriously lacked power compared to the Ram, and gas mileage was even worse when towing compared to the Ram. I've owned 3 Toyotas and they are very well made for the most part, but for a serious truck that will last 300,000 plus miles and tow most anything with plenty of power to spare then I'd always opt for the Ram.
 

Clutch

<---Pass
Yeah, the 2.7L gets screwed with 6,500lb GVWR while 3.5 and 5.0 get 7k. I thought it was just suspension, but apparently, the axles, springs, etc. are all different. Oh well. I'll enjoy the softer ride hauling my daily load of a shovel and 3 tie downs. :D
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Good to know about the 2.7, liking the engine specs and mpg's, but the payload and towing is a little light. Even though still think it would fine. So far the 5.0 is looking the best all rounder.

Can you get the HD in the Super/Crew Cabs? or only in the RC?
 

p nut

butter
Good to know about the 2.7, liking the engine specs and mpg's, but the payload and towing is a little light. Even though still think it would fine. So far the 5.0 is looking the best all rounder.

Can you get the HD in the Super/Crew Cabs? or only in the RC?

Yeah, the HD is available for Super Crew for sure (only in 6.5' bed). I haven't confirmed, but I'm sure Supercab as well. 5.0 is an excellent engine for sure. I just love the turbo kick too much! :D
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EDIT: Yeah, looks like it's available for all three cab configs. Only 164" wheelbase for Supercabs, though. That's an 8' bed! Imagine being able to SHUT the tailgate after you load your bike on. Maybe my next truck just went from an F250 to this Supercab 8' bed, HD payload...
Also forgot, only 3.73 rear end.

https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/17RV&TT_Ford_F150_Sep7.pdf
 
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madakira

Observer
For me the biggest issue is power. I do a lot of overlanding and camping. I have 37's on my truck. I don't think I could stand running 35's or 37's on a gas truck. Too sluggish, and the mileage drop is huge. The comfort level drops because you always feel your truck is working too hard. Plus, once you get a diesel, and hear that turbo whistle, it is all over man!
 

p nut

butter
For me the biggest issue is power. I do a lot of overlanding and camping. I have 37's on my truck. I don't think I could stand running 35's or 37's on a gas truck. Too sluggish, and the mileage drop is huge. The comfort level drops because you always feel your truck is working too hard. Plus, once you get a diesel, and hear that turbo whistle, it is all over man!

Until you hear that turbo ka-blaaaooww! :D Yeah, that's one nice thing about the diesels. Great mileage/range, no doubt about that.
 

Clutch

<---Pass
Yeah, the HD is available for Super Crew for sure (only in 6.5' bed). I haven't confirmed, but I'm sure Supercab as well. 5.0 is an excellent engine for sure. I just love the turbo kick too much! :D
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EDIT: Yeah, looks like it's available for all three cab configs. Only 164" wheelbase for Supercabs, though. That's an 8' bed! Imagine being able to SHUT the tailgate after you load your bike on. Maybe my next truck just went from an F250 to this Supercab 8' bed, HD payload...
Also forgot, only 3.73 rear end.

https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/17RV&TT_Ford_F150_Sep7.pdf

Cool thanks!

For me the biggest issue is power. I do a lot of overlanding and camping. I have 37's on my truck. I don't think I could stand running 35's or 37's on a gas truck. Too sluggish, and the mileage drop is huge. The comfort level drops because you always feel your truck is working too hard. Plus, once you get a diesel, and hear that turbo whistle, it is all over man!


Diesels are for sure fun drive, most of my moto buds went back to gas, after owning diesels for a bit and do smaller TT's, just cost too much to keep diesels on the road. Do a turbo, injectors, and a fuel pump it adds up real quick. Gas [non-turbo] you only have to keep to oil changed for the most part. Some guys love 'em some hate 'em...such is life, eh? :)

Majority don't do lifts nor big tires, used strictly for towing duty, since we get our kicks off-road with the motos.
 

madakira

Observer
Until you hear that turbo ka-blaaaooww! :D Yeah, that's one nice thing about the diesels. Great mileage/range, no doubt about that.

Yeah, anything on a gas engine that blows is usually fixable for a decent amount. When a Turbo goes..........ugh. Fortunately I like to keep my engines somewhat stock.
 

Ducky's Dad

Explorer
I currently own a 2008 Tundra 5.7 CrewMax SR5, a 2005 5.7 Power Wagon Quad Cab, and a 1998 5.7 GMC K1500 Z71 Extended cab, all gassers and all driven hard. In the past have owned other trucks from Chevy, Toy, Mitsubishi, Mazda. The Dodge is, by far, the absolute best of the bunch. Not only the most capable but the most reliable. The Tundra feels flimsy compared to the GMC and the Dodge. Example: Three weeks ago some kid hit the Tundra while it was parked. He was riding a bicycle. Tundra goes to the body shop tomorrow for $2300 worth of body work. From a bicycle. Tundra gas mileage is horrible because the SR5 only came with a 4.30 diff in that vintage, but truck has lots of power and a nice interior, offset by that ************** 5.5 foot bed. Tundra has had some electrical issues that required a new, very expensive, body module. Toyota parts are very expensive. Tundra handled like a pig until I upgraded the shocks and leveled the front. I hate leveling kits, but the Tundra needed it to shift some weight off the front end. Back end is always tail happy, even with the leveling kit. Very nice highway cruiser.

The GMC is pushing twenty years old and I just keep dumping money into it because it does what it does pretty well when it's actually working. GM quality was horrible until I upgraded a lot of components to make it into a work truck that could go offroad. But stuff keeps breaking and/or wearing out. Cheaper to fix it than to get a new truck, but I'm pretty well turned off to GM products.

The Dodge is a 5.7 Hemi on the 2500 platform. Gas mileage sucks. That's my only complaint about the truck. Over twelve years, the only repairs have been a broken CD changer and a broken exhaust stud. Everything else has been normal maintenance. It does need a new transfer case position switch to make the dash light go out, and that part is sitting on the passenger seat, cost $84. Best truck I have ever owned, and possibly perfect for OP's needs. So my advice is to think about a 3G Power Wagon.

I would avoid anything from Ford with an aluminum body and/or an EcoBoost engine.

If you really want a "heavy half," that's what Nissan is marketing the new Titan XD as, but they are very expensive, have very compromised resale value, and I am hearing thru the grapevine about a lot of issues with their new diesel engine. The other obvious (at least to me) alternative would be a Ram 1500 EcoDiesel with a few mods. I'd look for the best 3G Power Wagon that you can find. Big diesels from any manufacturer are overkill for OP's situation.
 

Clutch

<---Pass
Yeah, anything on a gas engine that blows is usually fixable for a decent amount. When a Turbo goes..........ugh. Fortunately I like to keep my engines somewhat stock.

A lot of them went through the 6.0 Ford era...yeah, done with diesels.


You'd be surprised where you can take a stock rig, have a bud that has a F250 CCLB, (one of the converts from diesel to gas) totally bone stock...we have been through old mining roads up in CO, going to a friend's cabin near treeline above Taylor Park... which made me nervous in my modded Tacoma, he just walked right up it...on fricken street tires too! Think most of us over-think this whole offroading thing (me included!)
 

F350joe

Well-known member
Do you pass people or get passed?

Can you do your own work? If not, learn how to. Diesels can be expensive to work on but a good professional diagnostic and a youtube video can save you a lot in labor.

Go with the dodge, beef up the suspension, throw on a dash mat and be done. The dodge will have a better resale and you wont be the guy dragging *** over a pass with a line of cars behind you. As you know, speed limit is 80mph in some areas now. Don't think a loaded up tundra can do 80. Also, your fuel saving will be significant with the kind of miles your drive and diesel fuel is usually the cheaper. Your dollar will take you farther, faster and with more toys.

The ford 7.3 trucks maybe an option for you but looks like you want something newer.

Just my 1/2 cent.
 

p nut

butter
Yeah, anything on a gas engine that blows is usually fixable for a decent amount. When a Turbo goes..........ugh. Fortunately I like to keep my engines somewhat stock.

Yeah, me, too. No tune for me. Stock has plenty of power. 33's, pulling a 5k lb trailer, bed full of cargo and 6 people inside, and I had power left over. Passed cars up grades with no issues. Yeah, I'm good with that. :D

A lot of them went through the 6.0 Ford era...yeah, done with diesels.


You'd be surprised where you can take a stock rig, have a bud that has a F250 CCLB, (one of the converts from diesel to gas) totally bone stock...we have been through old mining roads up in CO, going to a friend's cabin near treeline above Taylor Park... which made me nervous in my modded Tacoma, he just walked right up it...on fricken street tires too! Think most of us over-think this whole offroading thing (me included!)

I've been watching some truck vids of people doing some tough trails in stock vehicles. Down to the street tires they come with. Yeah, I'm good leaving it stock and saving the off-road for my bike.
 

Clutch

<---Pass
I've been watching some truck vids of people doing some tough trails in stock vehicles. Down to the street tires they come with. Yeah, I'm good leaving it stock and saving the off-road for my bike.


oooh link please, I might enjoy those videos.

Have been watching "The Motorbike Show" makes me want to forget about all this pickup truck non-sense and get a beater van for hauling all kinds of motos. Though the host does have a Landy...

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/tv-shows-and-video-channels/
 

p nut

butter
oooh link please, I might enjoy those videos.

Have been watching "The Motorbike Show" makes me want to forget about all this pickup truck non-sense and get a beater van for hauling all kinds of motos. Though the host does have a Landy...

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/tv-shows-and-video-channels/

I'll try to dig some up. I was just browsing and didn't keep track.
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In our part of the country, at least some resemblance of high clearance and 4WD is almost necessary. For those reasons alone, vans just don't work, unless you're talking sports mobile and the likes (but $$$$). I was fondly looking at a NV van today. Huge passenger/cargo space, big roof rack with an RTT. Looked pretty sweet. GC is actually ok. But lack of factory 4WD? No thanks.
 

Clutch

<---Pass
I'll try to dig some up. I was just browsing and didn't keep track.
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In our part of the country, at least some resemblance of high clearance and 4WD is almost necessary. For those reasons alone, vans just don't work, unless you're talking sports mobile and the likes (but $$$$). I was fondly looking at a NV van today. Huge passenger/cargo space, big roof rack with an RTT. Looked pretty sweet. GC is actually ok. But lack of factory 4WD? No thanks.

Thanks

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yeah, that is problem with vans...we need 4WD high clearance here too. Wish the Transit came 4WD from the factory...a Qiugley conversion is $12K...finding V6's below $25K...kinda in my price range...though we have been down this road before. A V6 F150 (sub $25K) with a $2000-3000 enclosed trailer accomplishes the same thing....

https://www.trailersplus.com/Idaho/Nampa/5-Wide-Cargo-Trailers/trailer/4RALS101XHN101581
 

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