Tundra vs F150

[Todd780]

And honestly when I have the need for a full size, I will be debating this exact thing and I don't know what I'll choose. My gut tells me to run with the truck that I know will last me for 15+ years and still hold some reasonable resale value.

Seems like a lot of people shopping for a 1/2 ton seem to have the same debate. Myself included.

 

[battleaxe]

Seems like a lot of people shopping for a 1/2 ton seem to have the same debate. Myself included.

Definitely. I don't think I see more debate/comparison than with the Ford and Toyota. I think the same might ring true of the Ranger & Tacoma very soon.

I can't stand the Dodge whatsoever. Never have, never will.

The Chev would be on the list if not for the fact that GM couldn't make a stereo/interior/interface if Steve Jobs himself rose from the dead and handed it to them on a silver platter. It's the most counter intuitive over complicated nonsense I've ever used or seen. (Wife's Terrain would randomly crash, and you'd have to disconnect the battery to reset it. GM had no fix for it. And there have been identical issues in all our work trucks).

 

[Todd780]

Definitely. I don't think I see more debate/comparison than with the Ford and Toyota. I think the same might ring true of the Ranger very soon.

I can't stand the Dodge whatsoever. Never have, never will.

The Chev would be on the list if not for the fact that GM couldn't make a stereo/interior/interface if Steve Jobs himself rose from the dead and handed it to them on a silver platter. It's the most counter intuitive over complicated nonsense I've ever used or seen. (Wife's Terrain would randomly crash, and you'd have to disconnect the battery to reset it. GM had no fix for it. And there have been identical issues in all our work trucks).

Yes, it will be really interesting when the Tacoma switches platforms and the Ranger is redone. I think both are supposed to happen in a few years based on rumor.

I've poked around Custom Trail Boss Silverado's. I like that GM offers a longer warranty. But, even after the majority of vehicles I've owned are GM, I still think it'll be a Tundra vs F150 debate for me. Curious to see what the next versions of these trucks offer as I'm sure they'll be 'all new' by the time I'm ready to change trucks.

 

[nickw]

Yes, it will be really interesting when the Tacoma switches platforms and the Ranger is redone. I think both are supposed to happen in a few years based on rumor.

I've poked around Custom Trail Boss Silverado's. I like that GM offers a longer warranty. But, even after the majority of vehicles I've owned are GM, I still think it'll be a Tundra vs F150 debate for me. Curious to see what the next versions of these trucks offer as I'm sure they'll be 'all new' by the time I'm ready to change trucks.

You essentially have argument now with the current Ranger vs Tacoma and it pretty much echos F150 vs Tundra. Ranger has better capacity (towing and payload) has engine that is down (2) cylinders, has more torque but is more complicated, 10 spd vs 6 spd, etc. There are good arguments for both and trade-offs without question. I think the Toyota offerings are def slanted towards offroad mods/performance where the Ford has more focus on daily driving / capacity....reliability / longevity aside.

I see the next gen rigs being more flavors of the same, Toyota opting for the conservative slighly underperforming route for reliability and Ford erring on the opposite side of the coin.

 

[Todd780]

You essentially have argument now with the current Ranger vs Tacoma and it pretty much echos F150 vs Tundra. Ranger has better capacity (towing and payload) has engine that is down (2) cylinders, has more torque but is more complicated, 10 spd vs 6 spd, etc. There are good arguments for both and trade-offs without question. I think the Toyota offerings are def slanted towards offroad mods/performance where the Ford has more focus on daily driving / capacity....reliability / longevity aside.

I see the next gen rigs being more flavors of the same, Toyota opting for the conservative slighly underperforming route for reliability and Ford erring on the opposite side of the coin.

Yep, I would agree with all that you mentioned.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

Ranger has better capacity (towing and payload) has engine that is down (2) cylinders, has more torque but is more complicated, 10 spd vs 6 spd, etc.

The engine and tranny in the Ranger have been on the road for years, under the hood of the Mustang. They are both pretty damned bullet proof. It's not complicated at all and has fewer moving parts and weighs less than a V6.

There is no shortage of guys pushing more Hp/Tq than stock and they don't flinch. I don't know how much abuse the tranny in the Tacoma can take, but I know the 10 speed can take the beating of 400 whp, launching on slicks, and not flinch.

 

[Todd780]

Really, I think it's all a crap shoot. Any vehicle can and does have failures. I'm sure if you google any vehicle you can find boat loads of people saying they've had issues with them.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

Really, I think it's all a crap shoot. Any vehicle can and does have failures. I'm sure if you google any vehicle you can find boat loads of people saying they've had issues with them.

Oh, no doubt. Vehicles today are more complicated than yesterdays aircraft. Something is bound to fail.

I look at the number of complaints vs. the total number produced and then draw a conclusion.

 

[battleaxe]

I don't know how much abuse the tranny in the Tacoma can take

Probably not much... That trans/engine combo is the biggest thing I hate about the third gen. I'm glad mine is a work supplied truck, because I don't think I'd ever buy one on my own.

Extended cab with a manual on the other hand... Maybe.

 

[nickw]

The engine and tranny in the Ranger have been on the road for years, under the hood of the Mustang. They are both pretty damned bullet proof. It's not complicated at all and has fewer moving parts and weighs less than a V6.

There is no shortage of guys pushing more Hp/Tq than stock and they don't flinch. I don't know how much abuse the tranny in the Tacoma can take, but I know the 10 speed can take the beating of 400 whp, launching on slicks, and not flinch.

It's part of the reason I decided on a first year rig like the Ranger to be honest, it was based on proven architecture, mix of global Ranger & proven drivetrain...we'll see how it plays out.

I'm loving the Tunes are there now pushing 350 hp w/warranty, one the the beautiful things about Turbos, less than $800 and you have an extra 75 hp in a few minutes. I had considered a super charger for my old 3.4 Tacoma but there were like $3k + Labor + misc, your looking at $5k easily...or several hours of your own time if you had the skills.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

Probably not much... That trans/engine combo is the biggest thing I hate about the third gen. I'm glad mine is a work supplied truck, because I don't think I'd ever buy one on my own.

Extended cab with a manual on the other hand... Maybe.

I test drove two-crewcab, 2wd, 2017 Tacoma PreRunners and they were both pretty underwhelming. I can't imagine towing anything remotely close to their tow rating and being able to keep up with traffic or climb a hill with out a gratuitous amount of throttle being applied.

Orginally I wanted a Tacoma so I could finally have a truck that fit in my garage and got decent fuel economy. Between the cost, crappy fuel economy, and mediocre performance I ended up spending less and got an F150.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

It's part of the reason I decided on a first year rig like the Ranger to be honest, it was based on proven architecture, mix of global Ranger & proven drivetrain...we'll see how it plays out.

I'm loving the Tunes are there now pushing 350 hp w/warranty, one the the beautiful things about Turbos, less than $800 and you have an extra 75 hp in a few minutes. I had considered a super charger for my old 3.4 Tacoma but there were like $3k + Labor + misc, your looking at $5k easily...or several hours of your own time if you had the skills.

Dude...you are preaching to the EcoBoost fan club....Haha. My F150 has a tune, high flow down pipe, and larger intercooler... all for far less than cost of getting a fraction of that power out of any other truck. I can be doing 30, lay into it, and spin the back tires on dry pavement. That's with 3.15 gears, if I swap them out to 3.73's it will be even more of an animal.

The best thing about a modified EcoBoost is if you keep your foot out of it, your fuel economy stays the same. Definitely can't do that with a supercharger (or any naturally aspirated motor).

 

[toylandcruiser]

I don't want air bags. They don't work well in this climate. Compressors breaking etc... A guy I know wants out of his Ram limited because every time it gets cold here his air suspension fails and it costs him a g-not in his shop. I had a Caddy with air suspension. It used to fail and the bags would get stuck inflated so it looked like a 70's hot rod. I see numerous Envoy's, Trailblazers, land rovers, etc.... draggin their butts due to failed air suspension systems. K.I.S.S. Keep it simple stupid.....


I see lots of 1500 Ram's squatting while towing appropriate length trailers. (Maybe overweight? can tell)

The Cherokee, Explorer and Suburban I had all had coils and I towed with them. I know you can tow with coils. I just prefer not to if given the choice.

I find this truck with leafs seems to handle weight better.

Again, personal preference. If I can choose a truck with leafs, that's the way I'll go.

I wonder how unimogs get buy with coils.

 

[F350joe]

Some fuel for the tundra side of the debate....

Second Toyota Tundra Pickup Hits a Million Miles, Serviced at Same Dealer as the First

Better advertising than a good Yelp review.

www.thedrive.com

 

[Deleted member 9101]

Some fuel for the tundra side of the debate....

Second Toyota Tundra Pickup Hits a Million Miles, Serviced at Same Dealer as the First

Better advertising than a good Yelp review.

www.thedrive.com

That's definitely impressive, but definitely not the norm.



Ford beat on the EcoBoost pretty hard in testing:

Ford burns through 1 million miles on EcoBoost test engines - MotorTrend

Word comes from Ford today that they've racked up over one million miles on their EcoBoost test engines in combined real-world driving and in-lab testing.So far, a cadre of EcoBoost engines have burned through 12,000 hours of dyno time representing over 500,000 miles of customer driving...

www.motortrend.com