Tundra vs F150

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nlzmo400r

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No one said it performed worse numerically. The results are RELATIVE, therefore it performed worse RELATIVE to its current competition.

The word ‘safe’ has no quantitative value. So the tundra is as safe or unsafe as it’s always been, but relative to its competitors, it’s not as safe.




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toylandcruiser

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No one said it performed worse numerically. The results are RELATIVE, therefore it performed worse RELATIVE to its current competition.

The word ‘safe’ has no quantitative value. So the tundra is as safe or unsafe as it’s always been, but relative to its competitors, it’s not as safe.




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Ok so tell that to everyone claiming you’re gonna die in it all of a sudden
 
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I like the baby (2.7L) turbo. I think it's their best engine. Good MPG and plenty of power.

That's what I have and I absolutely love it. It has shocked the crap out of me when it comes to pulling power... and that was when it was stock. Now it's tuned with a few other supporting mods and it's a beast.
 
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These days it's expected that you can slam into a concrete wall at 70mph (because you were texting and ran off the road) and walk away unscathed. Anything less is unacceptable... ;)

Like most official testing, the manufacturers learn to design vehicles specifically to perform for the test. That doesn't necessarily mean they are better in the real world though.

80 MPH into a stopped vehicle... zero injuries to the passengers.

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Dalko43

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I have owned 4 F150's (1990, 1991, 1997, 2017) and have had two as work trucks (2013,2015). All of them were every bit as reliable as the 2 Tundras (2002, 2012) I owned.

The nice thing about the Fords is they have a damn near indestructible 10 speed and can be rated to tow and haul more than the Tundra could ever be rated for, plus it has better brakes. The aluminum body means zero rust issues and the aftermarket support is insane.

The 5.0/2.7/3.5 are widely supported by performance parts manufacturers.... not so much with the Tundras 5.7.

Well seeing as how you're jumping from truck to truck on a rather frequent basis, I wonder whether or not you've had the opportunity to analyze and compare each truck's reliability from a longterm perspective. The F-150 is very much catered to those who buy a new truck every few years because they bore easily.

10-speed I'm sure is well-built, though I'm not sure 4 extra gears really adds all that much value.
The Tundra's brakes, as far as I can tell, are bigger than what the current F-150 has, so I don't know why you think the F-150's are "better."
Aluminum can still corrode, and the aluminum body was more about weight savings than anything else.

The 5.7l does have aftermarket support, to include super-charging options, but honestly those modifications have little relevance for the average owner and certainly not for the person intending to own and use this vehicle as a longterm overland rig.

F-150 has a higher tow rating than does the Tundra, but oddly enough the Tundra has bigger brakes, a bigger rear differential and a bigger tow hitch. I honesty don't care too much for the best-in-class 1/2 ton tow ratings...they seem more derived from marketing hype than anything else. 10k lbs is reasonable limit, beyond which you're better off going with a 3/4 ton.
 

Buliwyf

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F150 has better brakes. Don't care how big the Tundra brakes are. Drive them back to back. Must be bad pads, lesser master cylinder, or something on the Tundra.

No corrosion here after two winters. Ohio set a new world record for salting roads this last winter. Time will tell.

I'd still get the 5.0. Plenty of power for F150-ish tasks. If you need the Eco for towing, get an F250.
 

nickw

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Well seeing as how you're jumping from truck to truck on a rather frequent basis, I wonder whether or not you've had the opportunity to analyze and compare each truck's reliability from a longterm perspective. The F-150 is very much catered to those who buy a new truck every few years because they bore easily.

10-speed I'm sure is well-built, though I'm not sure 4 extra gears really adds all that much value.
The Tundra's brakes, as far as I can tell, are bigger than what the current F-150 has, so I don't know why you think the F-150's are "better."
Aluminum can still corrode, and the aluminum body was more about weight savings than anything else.

The 5.7l does have aftermarket support, to include super-charging options, but honestly those modifications have little relevance for the average owner and certainly not for the person intending to own and use this vehicle as a longterm overland rig.

F-150 has a higher tow rating than does the Tundra, but oddly enough the Tundra has bigger brakes, a bigger rear differential and a bigger tow hitch. I honesty don't care too much for the best-in-class 1/2 ton tow ratings...they seem more derived from marketing hype than anything else. 10k lbs is reasonable limit, beyond which you're better off going with a 3/4 ton.
Payload is a lot more important for an expo rig than towing ability, at least for most folks here. That by itself rules out the Tundra for most camper options, even the lightweight ones, where the F150 can handle them. Still don't understand your fascination with the size of the diff, it has nothing to do with this conversation, both are adequate on each rig and never pose strength issues.

Doesn't the LC200 have a higher GVWR than a Tundra? It has a 9.5" axle out back...there goes your theory, but you should probably fact check that.

It's an engineered system, maybe Toyota is more conservative, maybe it's marketing, who knows. We know what the door stickers says though which is all we can hang our hat on unless you wanna backwards engineer the vehicle.
 

nickw

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Most of the newer Tundra's w/ the 5.7l v8 comes standard with the tow package (which includes the 4.30 gearing), so it is very common. Even so, the 4.10 is still lower gearing than what most of the other 1/2 tons offer.

Granted, the 3.5l ecoboost offers a bit more low-end torque, so maybe it doesn't require such low gearing. But for the 5.0l v8 that Ford offers, I think 3.73 is the lowest gearing you can get. The other v8 1/2 tons are similarly-geared; they're more focused on mpg #'s than they are towing/hauling performance compared to the Tundra....and its debatable how much that higher gearing helps mpg over the longterm.

Also, the 3 overdrive ratio's in Ford's 10 speed are similar to the 2 overdrive ratio's in the Tundra, so I'm not sure what you're getting at there.
Like others have pointed out, your missing some key elements and need to understand drive ratios. True the Tundra has 4.30's in the diffs, but it has a 1st gear ratio of 3.33 which equates to drive ratio in 1st gear of 14.3. The F150 has 3.73's with 1st gear ratio of 4.7, drive ratio is 17.1, which is pretty damn low for an Automatic truck and based on what your are insinuating, would actually mean the F150 is geared (no pun intended) for towing more than the Tundra. Much more to the equation that just drive ratios though....
 
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Like others have pointed out, your missing some key elements and need to understand drive ratios. True the Tundra has 4.30's in the diffs, but it has a 1st gear ratio of 3.33 which equates to drive ratio in 1st gear of 14.3. The F150 has 3.73's with 1st gear ratio of 4.7, drive ratio is 17.1, which is pretty damn low for an Automatic truck and based on what your are insinuating, would actually mean the F150 is geared (no pun intended) for towing more than the Tundra. Much more to the equation that just drive ratios though....


The F150 also has a 10 speed vs. the 6 speed in the Tundra. The extra 4 gears makes towing much easier.
 
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