Tundra vs F150

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Kors Camps

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Best way to boost mpg is to get right behind a big truck and stay there...

The best way to boost mpg is to avoid driving a body on frame truck.

The best way to boost mpg in a body on frame truck is a small displacement turbocharged diesel engine.

Toyota should have introduced their diesel trucks to the North American market a long time ago, in my opinion.

A note on vehicle reliability. Well, most consumers purchasing new trucks will not own their vehicle long enough for long term “reliability” to become an issue.

I reckon for the majority of consumers, “Toyota Reliability” a completely moot point, but its a powerful branding mechanism and marketing tool.

Its very easy to confuse brand loyalty, with brand reality.
 
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Kors Camps

Innate Outdoor Co
Yes.

It is true that diesels in the light truck and passenger car segments represent a small percentage of sales for a manufacture. Toyota is doing Apple iPhone style sales volume and profit margins. They can afford to subsidize a turbo gasoline or turbo diesel product line to protract and strengthen their rank in the mid and full size truck markets.

F-150 vs Tundra? This isn’t a complex topic if we set aside our egos and emotional brand bias. Many F150 configurations have more capable payload and tow ratings with drivetrains that return excellent drivability and superior fuel efficiency. For people in the market for these things, and F150 with an extended warranty is really hard to deny. If you don't care about fuel economy, you need a bullet proof rig for 200k + miles of ownership, you don't haul or tow particularly heavy... Toyota Tundra.

My issue with new F150’s is the price. By the time you get the truck optioned up, you’re well within lightly used 3/4 Ton & 1 Ton diesel territory. HD diesels offer an entirely different realm of capability that can be had for what a brand new Gucci F-150 or 1500 costs. Modern HD trucks are actually pretty comfortable, and are not very expensive to service relative to their purchase price.

Looking for a new 1/2 Ton truck and plan on hauling or towing? The question isn't Tundra vs F-150... The question is should you even bother with either? Get a 3/4 or 1-Ton and be done with it.

Says me... Im sure somebody will chime in and prove me wrong. :geek:
 
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bkg

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Didn’t want to open a new thread about the tundra 2021, though it may be well deserved, I came across this great news. Toyota is working on a new tundra. The mules are bing tested.

Toyota Tundra 2021

I personally am looking forward to it.

Any predictions?

Remember, the value and strength of the trundra is that it’s “proven,” so I would anticipate most fans not being happy to see any sort of redesign. ?
 

bkg

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The best way to boost mpg is to avoid driving a body on frame truck.

The best way to boost mpg in a body on frame truck is a small displacement turbocharged diesel engine.

Toyota should have introduced their diesel trucks to the North American market a long time ago, in my opinion.

A note on vehicle reliability. Well, most consumers purchasing new trucks will not own their vehicle long enough for long term “reliability” to become an issue.

I reckon for the majority of consumers, “Toyota Reliability” a completely moot point, but its a powerful branding mechanism and marketing tool.

Its very easy to confuse brand loyalty, with brand reality.


Trucks are trucks... they are like driving a sailboat with sails raised: physics is physics.

Body-on-frame is less an issue than truck vs car.

For the record, I’ve done 23mpg in my f350 drafting a UPS truck. Unfortunately, few of their drivers will allow one to do that over 100+ miles.... and the highway patrol looks at drafting as a ticket opportunity.
 

Highlander

The Strong, Silent Type
Yes it seems that they are planning on to switch from 5 bolts to 6 bolts. I am not sure what is going to do.
Also they are thoroughly covering up rear suspension. Why? Are they moving toward the Ram like rear suspension? Very intriguing.

Also it has been said that they are bringing 3.5 turbo engine, currently available on Lexus. If this is true Toyota is doing what ford did- investing in a turbo engine.

Whether we like or not we are entering a time of turbo engines. And they will get better and better. You know very first auto transactions was garbage, but now it’s a default type of transmission. In many ways better than stick.
 
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Whether we like or not we are entering a time of turbo engines. And they will get better and better.

I agree 100%.

I have had two EcoBoost trucks, both preformed flawlessly. They both did everything a V8 could, only better.

The days of large displacement V8s are numbered for 1/2 ton trucks.
 

F350joe

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Trucks are trucks... they are like driving a sailboat with sails raised: physics is physics.

Body-on-frame is less an issue than truck vs car.

For the record, I’ve done 23mpg in my f350 drafting a UPS truck. Unfortunately, few of their drivers will allow one to do that over 100+ miles.... and the highway patrol looks at drafting as a ticket opportunity.

I’m a drafter and I got a ticket for it once.
 
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Dalko43

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Yes it seems that they are planning on to switch from 5 bolts to 6 bolts. I am not sure what is going to do.
Also they are thoroughly covering up rear suspension. Why? Are they moving toward the Ram like rear suspension? Very intriguing.

Also it has been said that they are bringing 3.5 turbo engine, currently available on Lexus. If this is true Toyota is doing what ford did- investing in a turbo engine.

Whether we like or not we are entering a time of turbo engines. And they will get better and better. You know very first auto transactions was garbage, but now it’s a default type of transmission. In many ways better than stick.

There is no proof whatsoever that Toyota is planning on using a turbo engine for the new Tundra...you're referring to speculation and internet rumors.
 

Highlander

The Strong, Silent Type
There is no proof whatsoever that Toyota is planning on using a turbo engine for the new Tundra...you're referring to speculation and internet rumors.

Of course. And I am not even suggesting it is a good thing. Toyota has to somehow improve the MPG of Tundra. A Ford HD 6.2 makes the same mpg... for god sake.
The most of the website is full with this information. The same happened with the tacoma. it was the rumors regarding the engine that came to be true.
 

rruff

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Also they are thoroughly covering up rear suspension. Why? Are they moving toward the Ram like rear suspension? Very intriguing.
Also it has been said that they are bringing 3.5 turbo engine, currently available on Lexus. If this is true Toyota is doing what ford did- investing in a turbo engine.

The media buzz is that it will be a 3.5L twin turbo hybrid. I doubt it. Turbo or hybrid I can believe, but not both. People who have stalked the test mule claimed that they could hear the electric motors. And an electric motor could be what is getting covered in the back.

I hybrid or turbos or not, I expect an updated big V8 and more gears.

I just can't see Toyota spending a lot on the Tundra. Sales will be limited no matter what they do.
 
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