Used all arounder: 100 Series or 200 (depreciation and driving dynamics query)

[Dalko43]

("Not sure where you're finding LC 200's for $15k.")
- I never said I found an LC 200 for $15k. $15k was the arbitrary low end of the price range I used in the search I ran on cars.com.

From what I've seen on auto trader, the used LC 200's seem to start at $25k (at the very low end) but $30k and up seems to be a lot more common. Whereas it's a lot easier to find a LC 100 at $14k-$20k. So there is definite price and depreciation advantage with the LC 100 (meaning it has depreciated a good bit while the LC 200 still has the potential to go down in the future). And just because you can find a LC 200 for $25k doesn't mean it's one that you'll want to buy.

That said, if you have your heart set on a LC 200, go for it. By all accounts they seem to be very great vehicles.

 

[OffToTheSide]

From what I've seen on auto trader, the used LC 200's seem to start at $25k (at the very low end) but $30k and up seems to be a lot more common. Whereas it's a lot easier to find a LC 100 at $14k-$20k. So there is definite price and depreciation advantage with the LC 100 (meaning it has depreciated a good bit while the LC 200 still has the potential to go down in the future). And just because you can find a LC 200 for $25k doesn't mean it's one that you'll want to buy.

That said, if you have your heart set on a LC 200, go for it. By all accounts they seem to be very great vehicles.

Dalko43- Greetings to another Upstater. I agree with you that the low end of used LC200 purchase pricing starts around $25,000 (probably not many decent ones at that price, but I do believe that some are out there if one is patient, picky with pre-purchase inspection, and willing to look nationwide).

There is a decent looking 2008 LC200 in Texas (and in Texas since new), with a little over 100k on the clock, $26,999 asking price, clean CarFax and lots of documented dealer service. (I am not yet ready to buy, or I would be drilling down on that one to find out more.)

One other thing I am curious about is how many LC 200s have been sold per year in the United States market, in comparison to the late model year LC 100. Fewer 200s sold would suggest fewer will hit the used market in the future, and that depreciation will be slower, and bottom out a higher figure than if there were lots and lots of them sold new.

Enjoy modding your T4R, when you get to it. It is a great truck and a great "blank canvas" for mods.

 

[Awkragt]

Sales numbers per year are on the Land Cruiser Wikipedia page.

 

[Dalko43]

One other thing I am curious about is how many LC 200s have been sold per year in the United States market, in comparison to the late model year LC 100. Fewer 200s sold would suggest fewer will hit the used market in the future, and that depreciation will be slower, and bottom out a higher figure than if there were lots and lots of them sold new.

Sales #'s have gone done a bit as Toyota transitioned from the LC 100 to 200. Still, I don't think that slower depreciation theory is something you'll want to bet on. When a new LC comes out, there's a good chance the current gen will take a big depreciation hit. The average LC 200 seems to be selling for $30k and up (with a few outliers as you noted). The LC 100 can be had now for at least $10-$12k less. The value advantage definitely lies with the LC 100. I'm not sure how much that matters to you though.

Enjoy modding your T4R, when you get to it. It is a great truck and a great "blank canvas" for mods.

It is a great truck. Good offroad capability and amazing durability. But I'm looking to sell it at some point in the future and probably get something like a Colorado or Tundra for the extra cargo space and towing capabilities. Between my dog, my hunting gear and random errands, my 4runner's cargo area is a mess.

 

[zimm]

if depreciation is a driving factor, and it seems to be, i'd be looking at gwagons in that price range. thats bottom for a clean maintained unit.

there will be no model changeover. when they kill it, they will be out of the market. it wont go "full on defender price skyrocket", but last of the breed will start to bring on some demand from the faithful.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...endYear=2018&makeCodeList=MB&searchRadius=500

 

[Awkragt]

there will be no model changeover. when they kill it, they will be out of the market.

I agree that's probably the endgame. The current 4runner is already too close. One more model changeover and the 4 runner will have the same interior space as a 100 series. Durability/longevity doesn't sell anymore.

I like Expedition Overland on it's own merits, but I hope they help Toyota sell a crap ton of 200 series so that I can buy one in 10 years.

 

[Dalko43]

I agree that's probably the endgame. The current 4runner is already too close. One more model changeover and the 4 runner will have the same interior space as a 100 series. Durability/longevity doesn't sell anymore.

I like Expedition Overland on it's own merits, but I hope they help Toyota sell a crap ton of 200 series so that I can buy one in 10 years.

Was Zimm's comment in reference to the lc? I thought his comment was directed at the g wagon.

I'd be very surprised if the lc 200 was toyota's last true BOF 4x4.


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[Awkragt]

Yup I miss read that.

 

[zimm]

i was referring to the G. it was on the chopping block twice then large military contracts came in, and ... i guess if you gotta maintain a parts channel, you may as well get radical with the civilian versions. some of the models are just plain stupid, and they are retarded money, but they keep the used market at a premium.

seriously, if youre spending 30 on a used SUV rig, and want that 30 back in five years, a G is the only buy. that 200 will be 1/2 the resale.

 

[OffToTheSide]

i was referring to the G. it was on the chopping block twice then large military contracts came in, and ... i guess if you gotta maintain a parts channel, you may as well get radical with the civilian versions. some of the models are just plain stupid, and they are retarded money, but they keep the used market at a premium.

seriously, if youre spending 30 on a used SUV rig, and want that 30 back in five years, a G is the only buy. that 200 will be 1/2 the resale.

Easy there, Zimm !! I don't see an LC200 losing quite that much in five years. Still, point taken. The GWagen is a brilliant play from a depreciation standpoint, even if they do reportedly eat window regulators like candy. In particular, the G500 Europas seem to be holding their value like bars of gold with wheels: the good ones look to be changing hands very quickly. It is beyond the scope of this post, but I am interested in sampling a G500, to scratch the curiosity itch. I'd like some seat time (never even ridden in one). Here in Central NY, I have not been able to find one to even go take a gander at.

Interesting stat for those who may not know. GWagens are slender:
2005 G500 = 69.3" wide
2010 Honda Accord= 73" wide
2004 LC100= 76" wide
2008 LC200 = 78" wide

 

[Silverhorse]

this is good education as I have thought about moving from the 80 series... So the 100 series 4.7 motor?
200 series 5.7 motor?
also is the LX 570 larger than the 470?

 

[OffToTheSide]

this is good education as I have thought about moving from the 80 series... So the 100 series 4.7 motor?
200 series 5.7 motor?
also is the LX 570 larger than the 470?

100 Series (Landcruiser and Lexus LX470) = 4.7 liter V8
200 Series (Landcruiser and Lexus LX570) = 5.7 liter V8

Length x Width x Height x curb weight:
100 Series: 193" x 76" x 73": 5390 lbs
200 Series: 195" x 78" x 74": 5690 lbs

 

[zimm]

the statement was comparing a G and a LC in future resale, not price paid today.


comp'ing my G and my 100, the 100 is worth 1/2 what i paid for it, the G about 10g more. if you spend 30 on a G today in 5 years you'll likely get 35 or more. the 200 is gonna lose at least 10. being i have both, i'll stand by my assessment.

 

[zimm]

the G is narrower, but the track affects the turning radius making it noticeably wider, so its a wash wheeling. compared to the 100, the useful space is the same or better in the cargo area due to the shape. cant speak for the 200.


suspension alterations and adding 35's is a much easier proposition with a 100. if you have a limited budget after purchase, the 100 is cheaper to alter and maintain.