West Coast Redwood climb

[HiddenDuke]

That question can spawn several other questions.

Chiefly among them is if a red wood falls in a forest and nobody is around to climb it, did it make a sound?

 

[teotwaki]

I would also like to say that I am open to any questions or comments regarding the possible negative effects of climbing/touching these trees. I will do my level best to answer anyones thoughts on this topic.
I think that questions and comments can be very valuable. I also feel that I can always learn something new.

Some concerns I have had include:
On some of these group climbs, I have seen climbers breaking small twigs off of the tree while thrashing/climbing in the canopy. Is it better to just not climb the tree? Can breaking pencil sized twigs have a negative effect? I personally think so, when you think about the cumulative effect is has. Just take a look at the Ponderosa Pines in Yosemite Village. They have had people tramping around the bases and compacting the soil. Some have even failed because of this.

Anyhow, open to discussion if anyone is interested.

-frans

I like your report for what it is and would prefer that a discussion of tree climbing ethics be set up in a seperate thread in the "Fireside Chat" area. Keeping the two discussions seperated is the best way for folks to share and learn about the different but intertwined (to pun slightly) topics. The Fireside Area has some express guidelines that are better for disagreements to be laid out and understood, facilitating the learning process for all. Trip reports are something that we can all agree that we all enjoy without reservation. :wings: Especially great pictures!

An example is a trip report about hiking and then a discussion about hiking on land that has strict wilderness designations and requires permits regardless of a person's good intentions.

I ask this of Frans because I find tree climbers to be just as "crazy" (in a good way) as I am with climbing mountains. Many of the methods and thrills are related and the pictures are eye opening. Where I part ways in ethics is that I don't climb without the appropriate permits.

Looking forward to seeing a link to another thread posted up and also to see more information on the development of the gas-powered drill (IIRC) adapted to rope ascending.

 

[BajaTaco]

I like your report for what it is and would prefer that a discussion of tree climbing ethics be set up in a seperate thread in the "Fireside Chat" area. Keeping the two discussions seperated is the best way for folks to share and learn about the different but intertwined (to pun slightly) topics. The Fireside Area has some express guidelines that are better for disagreements to be laid out and understood, facilitating the learning process for all. Trip reports are something that we can all agree that we all enjoy without reservation. :wings: Especially great pictures!

An example is a trip report about hiking and then a discussion about hiking on land that has strict wilderness designations and requires permits regardless of a person's good intentions.

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I agree. The trip report is best for sharing the report and enjoying it. A separate thread for discussion of the practices, trends, etc. is a good idea. Another suggestion besides Fireside Chat would be the "climbing" sub-section of the Adeventure Activities section.

 

[frans]

Thanks for the input.
I will look for the 'fireside chat' forum. It does seem to be a more appropriate forum for these types of discussions but I was not aware of it until now

frans

 

[BajaTaco]

Thanks for the input.
I will look for the 'fireside chat' forum. It does seem to be a more appropriate forum for these types of discussions but I was not aware of it until now

frans

Thanks Frans. Sorry to make you run around the forum, but you'll get to know your way around.

Welcome aboard

 

[J-man]

What would happen to these trees if everyone climbed them?

more people would have an appreciation for them - dont get down on the guy okay - no need for questions to scenarios that wont happen.

 

[frans]

video is done. Standard Y-tube quality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eriaxqNmB0k&feature=player_embedded

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[teotwaki]

more people would have an appreciation for them - dont get down on the guy okay - no need for questions to scenarios that wont happen. i cant stand people who say Edited to remove innapropriate language.

And shrill reprimands can be done without too. He asked a reasonable question. We are awaiting a regular discussion thread to be opened rather than pollute a trip report with back-and-forth.

 

[pygmyowl]

I read "Wild Trees" by Preston the other month - fascinating stuff - couldn't put it down. I'm planning to get down to N California this autumn and hit some brew pubs on the way. I would love to see the Atlas Grove, but understand why it is hard to find. Maybe someday I can get some instruction and climb in those monarchs. Wonder what the best season is?

Up here in Idaho our Whitebark are taking a big hit from both Blister Rust (introduced) and the native Pine Beatle. I really like Whitebark but it is pretty sad, and the Grizzly make good use of that nut also, so it isn't going to make things any easier for him.

Scott MacButch

 

[teotwaki]

discussion thread about ethics and the law over here:

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28496