What´s the problem with the Jeep

cavedave

Observer
You see a lot of off-brands for overlanding because they are used in countries that don't like Americans or their American Jeeps. You see Toyotas because they make the best small p/u truck.

lol, I'm sorry man, but the lack of jeep presence in remote places of the world is not due to prejudice or discrimination - it has everything to do with vehicle and parts availability. Likewise, is the level of poverty found in remote places of the world due to hatred for Americans? No.
 

JIMBO

Expedition Leader
:ylsmoke: Interesting, although I won't be taking my jeep to other countries, I can carry, tow, traverse any field 99% of the overlanders pictured here and with my trailer I could probably go over 500 miles without stopping for gas, but not much further, or at least-not yet

My jeep has room for cargo and 200 to 500lbs on the roof, not that I would like that, but

I'm afraid you're selling the JK jeeps WAY too short !!

:costumed-smiley-007:bike_rider: JIMBO
 

wardrow

Adventurer
Be carefull guys!!! I think this thread could be slipping into bullying and whiffle ball bat territory! :mixed-smiley-030:
 

huskyfargo

Adventurer

Reliability.

Really???
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my trailer is a work in progress (Outlander Sherpa II)
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2008 with 65,XXX miles.
I've been from Arkansas to Colorado and the Florida Keys multiple times and I've never had a problem.
I've managed to pack up myself, my buddy, our three labs, and all our gear for these trips without any problems. I love my JK...my favorite vehicle ever!!!
 

LACamper

Adventurer
Just curious, what's wrong with the forester? Parts availability I can see but what else?


I will note that you left the Xterra off the list... an oversight I am sure...
 

007

Explorer

From my very limited perspective, I've noticed some build quality issues with the Jeep. This is way more likely to be a fluke, than fact, but it seems that the few jeeps I've been around get gremlins.

Its never been anything major, just minor quirks. Its as if some of the cladding and accessories are an afterthought, and not the best designed or put together.

I wouldn't say that Jeeps are unreliable as far as most makes go, but I wouldn't put them on par with a Japanese made Toyota or Nissan.

The newer American made Toyota's seem very similar to the Jeep offerings. Good, but not great. I don't sit in them and think, "I'll bet this thing goes 10 or 15 years without showing any age." I think instead, "I'm going to love this awesome thing for a few years until the gremlins start showing up."

May haps I just see this because I want to, I can't deny my Toyota fan boy heritage!
 

KSJeep

Explorer
I believe it is like others said, availablity of the vehicles and parts. LR and Toyota have been selling vehicles all over the world long before Jeep.
 

JCMatthews

Tour Guide
I just sold a '97 Jeep Cherokee, that had 145,000 miles on it. It never left me walking. I did break an entire leaf pack in Moab, but we were able to trail fix it using the I beam out of a Hi lift jack. I drove the thing to Alaska, and Mexico. I also was a trail guide at the Ester Jeep Safari in Moab for six years. It never had issues with anything from the factory. The only problems that it had were from the parts I used to modify it. Also the 4.0 engine is a great motor. On highway trips my Jeep with 4.56 gears and 33x10.5 BFGs I would get between 17 and 18 mpg. I have a friend that has a 93 Grand Cherokee with the 4.0 that finally left him walking at about 300,000 miles when the fuel pump went. He replaced it and now has half a million miles on it. He is an attorney and could drive anything he wanted, but loves the reliable Jeep.

Once I changed my springs, my Jeep had no problems with payload. I used it like a pickup. I sometimes layed down the back seat and used the cargo space to haul tools for a handy man business, and for the last several years I have towed my M416 all over doing all kinds of jobs and trips, and it worked great.
 

Doin_It

Adventurer
1500 mile drive you are looking at no less than 20 jerry cans

With all my drives in Africa, (presently and growing up) I don't where you would ever find yourself 1500 miles from gas...........
 

Root Moose

Expedition Leader
Any of the modern, fuel injected Jeeps are reliable from a drivetrain perspective.

Where they fall down compared to other makes is the interior quality and electrical wiring (low grade).

The electrical stuff presents itself as quirks that can be fixed.

The interior is... well... the interior. Either you can resolve to accept it or not. One thing about the interior though, you can strip it quickly and get at stuff that would be a big PITA in other vehicles. And I'm not just talking about simplistic relics like YJs either.

Jeeps are utilitarian, even stuff like the Grand Cherokee. If you want a utilitarian vehicle I don't see any issues running a Jeep.

 
Any of the modern, fuel injected Jeeps are reliable from a drivetrain perspective.

Where they fall down compared to other makes is the interior quality and electrical wiring (low grade).

The electrical stuff presents itself as quirks that can be fixed.

The interior is... well... the interior. Either you can resolve to accept it or not. One thing about the interior though, you can strip it quickly and get at stuff that would be a big PITA in other vehicles. And I'm not just talking about simplistic relics like YJs either.

Jeeps are utilitarian, even stuff like the Grand Cherokee. If you want a utilitarian vehicle I don't see any issues running a Jeep.



Tell me about electrical quircks...

I spoent 400 ucks replacing sensors o my jeep trying to chase out codes...

turns out the wiring harness had rubbed gainst the battery and wore through the jackets on some of the wires and they were shorting against each other...

and you cant return sensors once installed...:mad:
 

Root Moose

Expedition Leader
Yep, quite annoying. I am on a quest to do something about the headlight switches in my Jeeps. Dumb design that should be relayed.
 

Black Dog

Makin' Beer.
With all my drives in Africa, (presently and growing up) I don't where you would ever find yourself 1500 miles from gas...........

Thats just an example, I've never been more than a couple hundred miles without gas. But I could see situations where if you are way far out in the middle of nowhere (like somewhere in Africa or some of the remote places in Canada) and you are running low on fuel, the gas station either might not have any gas or you might have reason to question the quality of what they do have.
 

Robin Masters

New member
Every 5 gallons of gas is something like 67 pounds

I'm not trying to nitpick, but for pure reference purposes, 5 gallons of gas would weigh about 34 lbs plus the weight of the container.

Long time lurker, first time poster. I love this forum by the way.
 

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