What is necessary for overland travel?

A 'snarky' forum indeed. Most are harmless old men with plenty of time on their hands... We have thick skins and most of us mean well enough.

This is a good article to reference. I have to re-read it every time I think about going to 35s.... The printed version is much better to read but here is the online version:
http://www.4wdaction.com.au/articles/2011/can-33s-and-2-inch-lift-get-you-everywhere

I think you're on the right track, and Lance's advice is sound also.

We just had an epiphany on a 3400 mile trip we just wrapped up. We went 3400 miles and only used 4wd (and low range) for 40 miles to conquer Engineer and Imogene Passes. The rest was 100% 2wd. We did parts of the Oregon/California/ Mormon and Continental Divide trail. Connected dots, when we could, with dirt roads. But the honest realization that we had was the fact that 33s, 2", and a rear diff lock were only needed on less than 40 miles of trail that could have been avoided... if necessary. There are tons and tons of things to see on maintained and paved roads. But, I like getting away from it all (and people). I like the challenge. And so from those two requirements, I choose capability.

I'm working on my next build already, it'll be a diesel converted FJ62 with enough lift to fit 33-35" tires. The goal will be capability and range. I want to be able to do all amounts of exploration in the west and like you not be limited by the terrain or obstacles before me. I'll likely be pulling a trailer too, since most of my exploration is with my wife and two young daughters.

Keep in mind that there is no one way to go about this sort of travel and lifestyle. You can learn from other people, but do yourself (and your pocketbook) a favor and cater to your own needs. When you find yourself limited by something... then re-ponder your needs. That method has worked well for me over the years.
 
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krazytoy

Adventurer
Titanium Spork is a must.

I started out with the basics and started doing weekend trips and on every trip I would figure out something else I needed, keep a good list of things you feel you need, this is the only way I would do it as everyone's opinions will differ and we all know about everyone's opinions... (They all stink)
 

REDrum

Aventurero de la Selva
When people ask me "****** is Overlanding?" I usually say "off-roading & camping beotch"

IMO, you really don't need much to do either. I did it in the 70s in Fl in VW Bettle with big rear tires, a jungle tent hammock, and a come-a-long for self recovery. That said, how far and for how long one does it ought to be commensurate with ones ability sustain, recover, and return. Thus I'd advise working on your personal driving and camping skills before bolting a lot of hi-zoot off road gear on your hundy. Know your, and your trucks, limits before you run out of talent 50 miles from civilization. Wilderness survival more about the indian than the arrow.

Oh, and, yes, you will need an axe...and PTO coffee grinder....:coffeedrink:
 

Rezarf <><

Explorer
Drive the wheels off it man. Get a strap, shovel and hilift... a good map, join a TLCA chapter and learn to drive offroad. Build it down the road once you know what you need.

In reality I'd buy a built rig as it usually can save you thousands!
 
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What is necessary? Ask yourself!
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Look how others explore the world. At sample this couple:
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http://herbiesworldtour.com/press/
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Ask yourself if you are able to drive through the US backroads and remote tracks with your stock Land Cruiser, when others had explore the world with an old vw beetle.
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Necessary for overlanding is a car, a tent and some camping gear. All other stuff is just about - how you like to travel. :coffee:


This guy ^^^^ just drove from Switzerland to South Africa via the Western Africa routes (Notoriously more difficult than East Africa) in a modestly modified 200 series Cruiser.
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Certainly more comfortable than the bloody VW. Although the sheila the VW guy brought along certainly had to increase the enjoy-ability level (mind you the lass in the Toyota is beautiful, blondes don't catch my eye as often ;) )


So Mr. Sifu, what are your new thoughts on the subject?
 
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Sifu

New member
The biggest problem I have run into with previous vehicles is lack of clearance...busting parts off the bottom, scraping on rocks, bottoming out because I take tank traps too fast, etc.

So, first order of business is some sliders and a modest lift, and maybe some better skid plates. I miss the King suspension on my Subaru, so I'm looking forward to the handling improvement that comes with a suspension upgrade too. 33s when the current tires expire. Thanks to some excellent suggestions here, I am also going to stock an extra coil pack & get a code reader to help ensure the vehicle is in top shape.

Beyond that, I am going to wait on LC pr0n and really see what I need, if anything. Aftermarket bumpers look sweet, and I like the safety factor, but I figure if I trash the existing bumpers then I have a great reason to replace them.

Figuring out better sleeping arrangements is also near the top of the list. We currently have a four person tent, but my girls are entering the teens years now, and it's honestly only big enough for three people. Those Maggiolina RTTs are pretty sexy, but realistically, getting one of those would probably just mean the kids would get to sleep in it, and the Mrs. and I would be stuck in our old tent on the ground because: bears, snakes, scorpions, etc. So just getting another small tent is probably the way to go there. It's certainly the cheapest option.
 

brushogger

Explorer
Take all your backpacking kit you already have.
Get a better sleep pad (I love the Exped Mega Mat 10 for in vehicle as I have a bad back/hip/amputee)
Get a small air compressor (MV50 off amazion or such will work for now) and a tire gauge to air down & up
Get a tire repair kit (extreme outback makes the best all around kit for the money)
Get a snatch strap and a couple of d-rings (extreme outback also has that stuff)

Fill the tank, pack you food and go somewhere....

Let your experiences teach you what you NEED vs what you WANT....oh how I wish I had all the money I have spent on vehicle mods over the years.

Thisx2! Also, have the ability for self recovery, whether its a winch, good come-a-long, high lift, or good friends. If you travel mainly solo it requires more stuff. Of you always travel with others, a shovel, strap, and secure attachment point should do it. Being rescued from a stuck way back in the boonies can run into a couple of grand pretty quick.


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Mr. Sifu,

I also have two daughters (but ages 1.5 and 7, going on 17...) An idea I've been contemplating is to purchase the Ironman RTT with the vestibule. The vestibule creates another weather tight tent and I'm thinking the kids can sleep down there while mom and I sleep up on the roof. When they get older, I've thought that two of the smaller two person Oz Tents would be nice. They even have attachments to connect them. However, for the time being, our Jet Tent F30 is a great size for the four of us.

Another note, I'm a fan of having a front bull bar. On our recent trip we nearly took out two bull elk on the hwy. They missed us by less than 3 meters... Thankfully I was going slow enough that I was able to brake hard too, that helped.... There are plenty of vehicles disabled by animal strikes in the US. I'd consider that a priority too. Not for mall crawling, or looking cool at Starbucks, but for animal strikes.
 
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madmax718

Explorer
a tent is always the best choice for value, and size. A EZ tent of some sort is your best bet for minimizing packing and setup times. If you want to see if a tent is for you, the coleman 6 person is a good start for a family (with an interior max height of 5'11. Its the "sleep on floor" or sleep on cot decision that will be a big factor.
 

Elsie3

New member
I know I am not answering the direct question, but first on my list is a good attitude, patience and a sense of humor. You will need them all.
 

madmax718

Explorer
The biggest problem I have run into with previous vehicles is lack of clearance...busting parts off the bottom, scraping on rocks, bottoming out because I take tank traps too fast, etc.

So very true. But depends on the type of trails you are running. Sometimes the overhang will be a problem- other times not. Ive really become a big proponent of armor rather than lift, because for all the lifting work you do, the few times you need the lift, are heavily outweighs by the on road time and dirt road times- times where a lift or not doesn't really help. Plus, you'd still need armor. If bashing onto armor gets you over the obstacles without the lift.. then maybe armor is the way to go. You then keep good on road manners, easy entry/exit, less wear and tear, and in general, less to go wrong.
 

SmoothLC

Explorer
Scott Brady shared his thoughts about "what is necessary for overland travel" yesterday at Cruiserfest.

Maybe he will post a link to his slides when he gets back.

Always tradeoffs to consider.
 

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