What would you buy for $40k?

Jsweezy

Explorer
Not sure about other years but in 2010 the E150, E250 have the same frames that are just slightly shorter than the e350 in some sections. Other than that they are the exact same.

Edit- I forgot to add that the rear axles are different between the e150 and the e250/350. Just slightly less beefy tubes.
 

markley

Observer
Thanks for the heads up! Yeah, Jim Hudson Toyota appears to have a few nice looking Fords for sale. I may have to take a drive down there this upcoming weekend.

Jsweezy, thanks for the info on the frames! So are the E250 and E350 frames the same prior to 2010?
 

Jsweezy

Explorer
Timjim- Yep, check out the "found vans for sale thread" where we are talking more about it.

So I looked more into the frame stuff and if you get a cargo van the e150/250 frames are the same 2008+ (maybe more, I stopped going back) but the wagons seem to have their own frame dimensions. If you find a year your looking at just check the Ford Body Builder Specs Pages and look under the frame specs section.
 

paddlenbike

Adventurer
I have had the same dilemma for years as many of you that have posted in this thread. I'm a 4WD guy and wanted a van that could take me into the backcountry. I ended up ruling out the domestic vans (E-series, Chev/GMC) because I hated the way they drove on the highway and the fuel economy is not so great. I wanted to like the Transit but the gas engines don't get very good economy (once the vans are built-out), the medium roof isn't tall enough to stand up in, which forces the mega roof, and then you just end up with odd proportions.

I've read nothing but good things about the new-ish 4 cylinder diesel (24-26 MPG!) in the Sprinters, so I bought one. They don't seem to have the emission problems as the V6 models...go figure that a new engine designed to meet today's emissions laws is not going to tax the aftertreatment system as hard as the old V6 does. But you can't buy a 4WD model with the 4 cylinder, so I ended up getting a 2WD. In the process I learned that Mercedes is offering some great deals on the 4 cyl 2WD models--there ended up being a $14,000 spread between what I ended up with and what the same dealer could do on a 4WD. (The 4WD is a $7400 option, plus it doesn't qualify for the current $3,000 cash back from Mercedes, AND dealers won't negotiate off MSRP very much--I negotiated thousands off on my 2WD.) I ended up paying only slightly more than what a ProMaster costs and about $5200 less than a diesel Transit. I still have a 4WD 4Runner for getting into the backcountry...I just couldn't live with the other van options out there, so any choice would have been a compromise in some way. Now if VW imported the T6 California, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
 

normal_dave

waytoomuchwritinginposts.
They're coming out of the woodwork...
http://greenville.craigslist.org/ctd/5939143869.html

Another E-150 Chateau package, actually the Traveler edition, leather, factory DVD players and folding monitors in the ceiling, etc. 5.4L, 91K miles.

Edit, you know, I guess I forgot the high roof was one of your goals. That's pretty much going to rule out the factory rear A/C, and the center roof console vents and lighting benefits of the XLT and up wagons.

Hmmm: interesting, you're going to build out the inside anyway...
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/ctd/5933044612.html
 
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Jsweezy

Explorer
Just be careful with the older e150s if your gonna tow or load up the van, they are considerably different than the e350s.

The rear axle on a 2003 (2002 specifications pages are screwed up) is only rated at 3800lbs while the e350 of that same year is rated at 6340lbs. The e150 also has rear drum brakes...
 

markley

Observer
Thanks for the heads up!! Haven't had a chance to look around the past few days. Man, that e350 shuttle van looks intriguing! The lack of a passenger seat is an issue, but I'm guessing we could put one back in? What do you think?

And thanks for the suggestion regarding the e150s..we definitely plan on building out some, but not towing. Something to consider.
 

normal_dave

waytoomuchwritinginposts.
Overall, to me, it hits the requirements on your list. As far as the passenger seat goes, it looks like they may have cut in a step, so reverse fabrication may be in order to return the floor to hold the passenger seat. I wonder if one of those Sienna seat conversions could be put into the existing 2nd row seat, with the swivel. Might determine you don't want the factory front passenger seat.

I guess this was originally built for commercial shuttle use, even has the escape hatch. I would think this high top could be much better quality than the aftermarket, looks like there are heat/air vents already built in plus the lighting. I like that the back doors aren't cut into the roof like most. The side doors are cut into the roof, but you could inspect the design for a good seal. The versa shuttle by El Dorado, was built to optionally load a wheelchair through the side doors. This particular one was set for shuttle only it appears, and doesn't seem to have the wear of most.

It sure looks clean from the pictures. Seems like a great foundation to build on if you are a little creative, it sure would be unique. Drop it off at UJoint, get the 4WD conversion. Then maybe even upgrade the entire front end like this one:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/167170-E350-Chinook-Build?p=2225503#post2225503

You could at least swap to the original chrome grille and composite headlights and/or HID conversion. Based on your budget you may have up to $ 20K left for the rest of the build out! If the high roof is one of the most important requirements, well, there it is, E-350 for the extra weight capacity all ready to go. In my mind, it sure takes a lot of the hassle out of getting your project of the ground. What say the rest of you folks?
 

markley

Observer
Thanks for your input! Sure seems like a great starting point! Regarding your suggestion for the Sienna seat conversion in the second row..would that put the passenger seat way back? Seems like we would likely have to have someone fabricate it back to original position. Wouldn't want it in the way of side door entry.
 

normal_dave

waytoomuchwritinginposts.
As far as the passenger seat re-install to factory location, you would have to remove the step and rebuild the floor to stock. I have no idea how hard this would be. I'd be curious to see if anybody else has feedback on the door extensions into the roof and durability/sealing.
 

markley

Observer
Yeah, I'm interested to hear how difficult it will be to rebuild the floor to reinstall the passenger seat. I really didn't consider the doors extending into roof being an issue..I kind of like the extra head room getting in and out. I may drive down (a few hours away) and look at the van next weekend if it's still available.
 

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