where are the Porsche cayenne expo builds?
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GroupSe7en
Adventurer
Had my "S" for a couple of months now, and all I can tell you is that as a DD it kicks butt!
We're planning on keeping an eye out for another (old style) with the full offroad package.
There's no real chance of ever finding a TransSiberia (at least one that we could ever afford), and it doesn't look like Porsche is going to be doing another like it again, any time soon.
The cost to upgrade a straight "S" to the TransSiberia level is pretty substantial, and I'd never get it past the Spousal Financial Review Board.
Right now, I'm saving up my lunch money for new tires. The question is, which tires?
The straight forward thing to do is the 265s on the factory 18" rims, like Cole suggested.
We've taken some cursory measurements, and it seems possible to get 275's to fit with no problem. The problem is that nobody makes a 275 for an 18" rim. There are some options for 275/65s on 19" rims...
The other thing we're thinking about is lifting my "S" to the height that the air suspension lifts a turbo, and seeing what tire we could shove under it then. Though, it sounds like a bit of a fools errand to me, and I worry about killing it in the process. Honestly, it's more talk than an actual plan.
So, the "build" for my "S" is almost no build at all. But, then again, it's pretty fantastic the way it comes right out of the box.
The inflatable spare tire is going to be replaced by a full size on a rack out back. The rack (more like a platform) is going to be attached to the receiver, and to another two additional custom fab'd receivers at the frame mounts that the current receiver attaches to (three attachment points total). That rack will also carry a fuel can or two, as well as having a little space for some luggage.
The rack will have another 2" receiver at the back edge, to tow a 6' wide teardrop.
The thinking here is that when we're going on a trip, we can slap the rack on the back, and the trailer behind it. The teardrop is light, and hidden in the Pepper's wind shadow. The Cayenne won't even know it's back there. When the truck is just a DD, all of the "ExPo" stuff gets left behind, and it's a full bore rocket ship once again - hampered only by some slightly clunky tires.
The one thing that I don't want to ever do, is to kill the performance, or drivability, of the Cayenne, by modifying it for some illusionary increased "trail performance". I don't know how some of you guys drive around the things that I see you build. I'm not trying to throw stones, and I can appreciate the concept of degrading the on-road performance characteristics of a vehicle, to enhance its ultimate abilities off-road. I mean, if you've got to have serious articulation to go where you want to go - you don't have much choice. It's just not for me. I've driven many of your "Proper" overlanders - and I know that you guys all think they're the best thing ever, but man, I'd be embarrassed to be pulled at every stoplight by an old lady in a Prius. Sure, they're great at two miles per hour, locked up in low range on "the trail", but I'd hang myself on the way there.
That's probably why we'll never see a "proper build" of a Cayenne. Once you've driven one, you'll probably rather skip the trail over the pass, and prefer taking the fire road around, at something just shy of the sound barrier...
Additionally, I'd like to make a plea, that the animosity, imagined animosity, humorous stereotyping, etc. be saved for another venue. There are some of us who are looking to the Cayenne to serve as our ExPo rig. Maybe our priorities, and our sensibility, styles, and aspirations, put us outside of the ExPo mainstream, but ultimately, we are all the same - we are here to examine the possibilities for overland travel. Rather than casting aspersions, and throwing stones at the vehicle and those that own them, I would much prefer it if we could examine their potential, and how we might best exploit that potential, to further our overlanding objectives.
Thanks,
Mark
We're planning on keeping an eye out for another (old style) with the full offroad package.
There's no real chance of ever finding a TransSiberia (at least one that we could ever afford), and it doesn't look like Porsche is going to be doing another like it again, any time soon.
The cost to upgrade a straight "S" to the TransSiberia level is pretty substantial, and I'd never get it past the Spousal Financial Review Board.
Right now, I'm saving up my lunch money for new tires. The question is, which tires?
The straight forward thing to do is the 265s on the factory 18" rims, like Cole suggested.
We've taken some cursory measurements, and it seems possible to get 275's to fit with no problem. The problem is that nobody makes a 275 for an 18" rim. There are some options for 275/65s on 19" rims...
The other thing we're thinking about is lifting my "S" to the height that the air suspension lifts a turbo, and seeing what tire we could shove under it then. Though, it sounds like a bit of a fools errand to me, and I worry about killing it in the process. Honestly, it's more talk than an actual plan.
So, the "build" for my "S" is almost no build at all. But, then again, it's pretty fantastic the way it comes right out of the box.
The inflatable spare tire is going to be replaced by a full size on a rack out back. The rack (more like a platform) is going to be attached to the receiver, and to another two additional custom fab'd receivers at the frame mounts that the current receiver attaches to (three attachment points total). That rack will also carry a fuel can or two, as well as having a little space for some luggage.
The rack will have another 2" receiver at the back edge, to tow a 6' wide teardrop.
The thinking here is that when we're going on a trip, we can slap the rack on the back, and the trailer behind it. The teardrop is light, and hidden in the Pepper's wind shadow. The Cayenne won't even know it's back there. When the truck is just a DD, all of the "ExPo" stuff gets left behind, and it's a full bore rocket ship once again - hampered only by some slightly clunky tires.
The one thing that I don't want to ever do, is to kill the performance, or drivability, of the Cayenne, by modifying it for some illusionary increased "trail performance". I don't know how some of you guys drive around the things that I see you build. I'm not trying to throw stones, and I can appreciate the concept of degrading the on-road performance characteristics of a vehicle, to enhance its ultimate abilities off-road. I mean, if you've got to have serious articulation to go where you want to go - you don't have much choice. It's just not for me. I've driven many of your "Proper" overlanders - and I know that you guys all think they're the best thing ever, but man, I'd be embarrassed to be pulled at every stoplight by an old lady in a Prius. Sure, they're great at two miles per hour, locked up in low range on "the trail", but I'd hang myself on the way there.
That's probably why we'll never see a "proper build" of a Cayenne. Once you've driven one, you'll probably rather skip the trail over the pass, and prefer taking the fire road around, at something just shy of the sound barrier...
Additionally, I'd like to make a plea, that the animosity, imagined animosity, humorous stereotyping, etc. be saved for another venue. There are some of us who are looking to the Cayenne to serve as our ExPo rig. Maybe our priorities, and our sensibility, styles, and aspirations, put us outside of the ExPo mainstream, but ultimately, we are all the same - we are here to examine the possibilities for overland travel. Rather than casting aspersions, and throwing stones at the vehicle and those that own them, I would much prefer it if we could examine their potential, and how we might best exploit that potential, to further our overlanding objectives.
Thanks,
Mark
Cole
Expedition Leader
I think you kind of hit the nail on the head here. Once you drive one and see how well it does at everything, there is little motivation to do anything that might harm that. I tow my race car with it, beat a bunch of proper Porsches at an autocross with it, and can do 75% of the trails in Colorado with it, all in stock form!
I had planned to do all sorts of crazy things to mine after all my extreme jeep builds. But after getting to know the beautiy of the do it all Cayenne, I bought an old truck and some motorcycles to build for the overland stuff.
all this really tells me is exactly what I expected. No one out there is actually going to build an expo out of a pork chop because as soon you get one you become mesmerized by the brand. It's a rocket ship, etc, etc. If someone does want to build anything he wants it to be able to back looking stock so he can show off. I doubt I will ever see one outside of pro circles because no one here will ever be able to cut into one w/o being able to go back.
you have convinced me might be neat...back seat out, storage platform w/ a fridge,stove, water tank, racks, sliders, front and rear brush bumpers, winch, spare tire gate and cans. first guy to roll bed liner on the rockers...I want to see pics.
On top of that no ones wife is going let them cut one up cause she'll be wanting her buddies to see her in the stock model, not something w/ those knobby tires!
Cole
Expedition Leader
I could care less what it looks like or who sees me in it. Let's be honest, the Cayenne is kinda an ugly pig. The magic is in driving one. I honestly hated the way they look and tried VERY VERY hard to like the cooler looking VW! (especially the twin turbo diesel v10:drool
I honestly did not want a flashy daily driver. But after I drove a few I changed my mind. Put the hammer down and turn the string wheel.....it's no Touring-egg!!! I even breifly looked into the idea of sneaking a Touareg front clip onto it.
I've owned half a dozen tow rigs, 1 tons, crew cab long beds, big blocks, etc etc. The Cayenne is by far the best tow rig I have ever had. It's designed to be insanely stable and stop like a 911. Put the car hauler behind it and the stability shows and braking show....the power helps too
It's an SUV that convinces you that every other SUV manufacturer on earth is compromising and making excuses. They all say " it's and SUV it's not supposed to<insert performance standard here>"
They all stop short of just making it right.
Will the cayenne every be a stellar crawler...hell no! Does it do more than any other single SUV can ...hell yes!
I'm a motor head to the core! I spent the last 20ish years daily driving rock rashed Jeeps and trucks.(and some cobbled together sports cars) Put a real auto enthusiast in a Porsche and you will really appreciate what they have done. Those that have not spent any real time in a Porsche mistakenly think its about image. The reality is that it's a real enthusiast vehicle about the engineering and the driving experience, the reliability, the no compromise approach!
I honestly did not want a flashy daily driver. But after I drove a few I changed my mind. Put the hammer down and turn the string wheel.....it's no Touring-egg!!! I even breifly looked into the idea of sneaking a Touareg front clip onto it.I've owned half a dozen tow rigs, 1 tons, crew cab long beds, big blocks, etc etc. The Cayenne is by far the best tow rig I have ever had. It's designed to be insanely stable and stop like a 911. Put the car hauler behind it and the stability shows and braking show....the power helps too
It's an SUV that convinces you that every other SUV manufacturer on earth is compromising and making excuses. They all say " it's and SUV it's not supposed to<insert performance standard here>"
They all stop short of just making it right.
Will the cayenne every be a stellar crawler...hell no! Does it do more than any other single SUV can ...hell yes!
I'm a motor head to the core! I spent the last 20ish years daily driving rock rashed Jeeps and trucks.(and some cobbled together sports cars) Put a real auto enthusiast in a Porsche and you will really appreciate what they have done. Those that have not spent any real time in a Porsche mistakenly think its about image. The reality is that it's a real enthusiast vehicle about the engineering and the driving experience, the reliability, the no compromise approach!
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Packy
One Angry Rabbit
Found this while googling "2011 Porsche Cayenne expedition". It is an Outback expedition on the trail of Burke and Willis, and features a video of an "S" pepper doused in heavy doses of red dirt. They didn't seem to bring or outfit the German rig with any off-road recovery kit.
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/on-the-trail-of-burke-and-wills-20100909-151rn.html
They didn't seem to bring or outfit the German rig with any off-road recovery kit.http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/on-the-trail-of-burke-and-wills-20100909-151rn.html
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Heading Out
Adventurer
+1
There are plenty of people that buy a Porsche for the image, but most sell them quickly. As the saying goes, Anyone can afford to buy a Porsche, The expensive part
is keeping it on the road. I've had one for almost 10 years now. in my case a 951.
These cars are well engineered and made with top quality parts/materials, to deliver maximum performance, and also expected to be maintained on a regular schedule.
So by nature running costs will be higher than something designed to be an appliance.
When I first bought my car I had plans to do some mods, Then as I drove the car I found the need for mods to be less and less. Porsche has a VERY good product,
If I where to build an Expo Pepper, I would find the car with the options and in the spec that pleased me, then track down the factory under body protection and add it.
a second set of "Winter" or Expo wheels with some taller more suitable tires, in addition to your normal "performance" wheel/tire combo.
some interior storage and racks for gear and spare tires. second battery in the spare tire well, and a small trailer to suit your needs.
There are plenty of owners who do upgrades to the cars, Myself included. I have two sets of wheels for my car, with Street tires and Track tires, the car has
two set ups, street and track.
In the end it's YOUR Truck, make it please you and fit your needs. Don't worry about what others think.
And by the way the temp spare wheel has a good bit of value to the 356 guys, they use them on their modded cars.
John.
FlyNdrive
Adventurer
Found this while googling "2011 Porsche Cayenne expedition". It is an Outback expedition on the trail of Burke and Willis, and features a video of an "S" pepper doused in heavy doses of red dirt.
http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/on-the-trail-of-burke-and-wills-20100909-151rn.html
That trip has also been done with a 911, and an Audi R8. Inside the Birdsville Pub there's a pic of the 911 jumping Big Red.
Cole
Expedition Leader
I also have a 951 and love it.
I've been a mod junky my whole life! Needing to modify everything on every car I have every had to get it to my liking. I have been surprised by the Porsches. They just work right! The urge to mod kinda goes away.
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Cole
Expedition Leader
Goody for you, start with an XJ!
You're way off base with your assumptions here!
You assuming that by buying a Cayenne that you don't give to the community?!
Assuming we bought them for the door gaps? Crazy assumptions!
You make all these assumptions on what someone paid for one of these vs their means to do good!? You are way off base!
If you think a Honda drives the same you are missing the point and it's obviously not the vehicle for you, so why troll? If you want to do such good for the community they why hate on what others like?
I drive a Cayenne! It's flat out none of your business what it cost, and who cares anyway, but it's certainly not what you think. So here is one for your "Amen"! I'm a retired LEO, then I volunteered as a LEO for years afterward, I'm on several fund raising committees for local schools and mental health organizations. I build and donated a truck to the community to clean up our trails with.( an entire real truck, not this mythical savings from your dream Cayenne bashing). I have watched people at some of the fund raising events donate millions to the schools! (individuals donating upwards of 5 million to build a school building, who cares if they spend some of THEIR MONEY on something like a Cayenne)
Take your off base assumptions and hate and focus the energy into helping!
Its just another brand of car. I could point to a hundred rigs here on this site that have WAY more money in them than the cost of a used Cayenne. Hell, some of the slide in Campers alone cost more than a used Cayenne.
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Okay I am not starting w/ a XJ.....I found them to be the best bite for my buck...and I will end w/ one unless i get the D2 bug....I haven't been vaccinated. I'm thrilled you're a LEO. I'm an ARIES and I have volunteered as one often as I have been a college professor I try to help as many young folks as I can......as an Aries.......heheheeh.
LEO's and ARIES are not the most harmonious of signs....yet no.
Do go on.:coffeedrink:
GroupSe7en
Adventurer
Man, I leave you guys alone for a day, and you're back at it - unbelievable.
An opinion is just that - an opinion. it is as opinion because it is held with unshakable confidence, and based on nothing other than speculation.
An informed opinion, on the other hand, is based on real knowledge and experience. Some of us have it, some don't.
bobDog, I would suggest that you take your XJ, and go over to the Jeep forum, or your D2 and hang with the LR crowd, you can share all of your good ideas with them. You don't seem to have much to contribute over here. I've reread all of your posts on this thread, and your chief occupation here seems to be to snipe, insult, and belittle.
I'm thrilled that you have driven every exotic car, and done good works in the world - I just don't see the relevance of your comments, to the issue of what one would do to build an ExPo Cayenne. Telling me what a substandard person I am for owning one, is a bit off topic. If you would like to start a thread to discuss the disfunction of Cayenne owners, I invite you to do so - but I do not believe that this is that thread.
I look forward to not hearing from you again on this thread,
Mark
An opinion is just that - an opinion. it is as opinion because it is held with unshakable confidence, and based on nothing other than speculation.
An informed opinion, on the other hand, is based on real knowledge and experience. Some of us have it, some don't.
bobDog, I would suggest that you take your XJ, and go over to the Jeep forum, or your D2 and hang with the LR crowd, you can share all of your good ideas with them. You don't seem to have much to contribute over here. I've reread all of your posts on this thread, and your chief occupation here seems to be to snipe, insult, and belittle.
I'm thrilled that you have driven every exotic car, and done good works in the world - I just don't see the relevance of your comments, to the issue of what one would do to build an ExPo Cayenne. Telling me what a substandard person I am for owning one, is a bit off topic. If you would like to start a thread to discuss the disfunction of Cayenne owners, I invite you to do so - but I do not believe that this is that thread.
I look forward to not hearing from you again on this thread,
Mark