Which Subaru is best off-road?

calicamper

Expedition Leader
The cvt in our 2010 OB has been great. We tow with it. 1st and 2nd is a fixed 50/50 off pavement like ALL Auto box subarus. They lack skidplates and have low hanging soft plastic parts.They do rough logging roads great. They eat highway miles big time. Just returned from a week long spring break with two kids. 850 miles. Down with tail wind 30mpg tank at just over 70mph. On the way back more traffic 70-80mph and big head wind 26mpg
 
Ya seen the light, eh? Pack 'em like a bicycle, don't expect it to wheel like a Unimog or a Taco, and you have a pretty darned near ideal rig for a lot of stuff, a lot of the time, in a lot of places. Mild lift, skids and tires, and it's pretty much anyroad capable, including some light but surprising wheeling.
 

freshlikesushi

Free Candy
ive done pretty heavy wheeling in my last subaru. some rocks, water, dunes, no issues. just know your limits (though you can get through a ton of stuff)
 

Christophe Noel

Expedition Leader
I have to say, the OB is not as proficient off road as my lifted Jeep Patriot, but it's close. The OB is far superior on road, but it was also $10,000 more than our little Jeep.
 

Dougnuts

Well-known member
Hello Christophe,

I bought a 3.6R two weeks ago and agree with your article 100%.

Side note: There are 4 grammatical mistakes, if you have time to fix those, I would then share on my social media accounts.

-Doug
 

Christophe Noel

Expedition Leader
ehhhhh ill take you head to head on that. My lifted outback vs your lifted patriot.
Clearance is the same for the most part. I only have the advantage with approach, departure and break over angles. The traction control systems I feel are relatively equal, although I think the Jeep's lower crawl ratio offers an advantage if slight.

On the highway and around town it's no contest. Outback for the win.
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
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Clearance is the same for the most part. I only have the advantage with approach, departure and break over angles. The traction control systems I feel are relatively equal, although I think the Jeep's lower crawl ratio offers an advantage if slight.

On the highway and around town it's no contest. Outback for the win.

How many miles on your Jeep? Just saw a good friend last week his Patriot with 80k just got replaced due to the transmission dying no joke infront of the dealer. $5000 to fix he told the dealer to keep it. Pretty sure my Subaru will not only out last your jeep but cover 3x the miles and probably 2x the miles on dirt before we replace it. Jeep makes a great Jeep all their other stuff is just cheap chrysler junk.
 

Joash

Adventurer
Seems like a no-brainer for anyone who wants a reliable car, with good mileage and the ability to explore off-road.


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freshlikesushi

Free Candy
Clearance is the same for the most part. I only have the advantage with approach, departure and break over angles. The traction control systems I feel are relatively equal, although I think the Jeep's lower crawl ratio offers an advantage if slight.

On the highway and around town it's no contest. Outback for the win.
cant compare that. we don't know the ratio the CVT chooses in Xmode to be fair


ill be headed out to some trails with some jeep guys sunday. ill give a report lol
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
cant compare that. we don't know the ratio the CVT chooses in Xmode to be fair


ill be headed out to some trails with some jeep guys sunday. ill give a report lol

Gear ratio range isnt affected by xmode xmode is just advanced logic to handle more complex terrain and manage wheel spin with a higher tolerance of vehicle skid etc.
http://www.subaru-global.com/2015outback_spec01.html
Not to mention I think he'll be surprised about the ratio comment
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...lHYzaoecAPqTDMmgA&sig2=2FwOmuKXy0oCpxfpVOkElA

The basic difference is cheaper Jeep car based product vs very respected quality product. Both have similar ability except one is a better all around machine for the money.
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
Cvt Subaru
rivetrain
AWD type Active Torque Split AWD system
Dimensions & Weight
Overall length (mm) 4,815
Overall width (mm) 1,840
Overall height with roofrails (mm) 1,605 1,675
Wheelbase (mm) 2,745
Track Front (mm) 1,575 1,570
Rear (mm) 1,590 1,580
Minimum road clearance (at kerb weight) (mm) 200 213
Cargo volume*2 (lit.) 1,848 1,801
Seating capacity (persons) 5
Kerb weight (kg) 1,575 1,582 1,598 1,698
Towing capacity (kg) 2,000 -
Transmission
Gear ratio D range (Lineartronic) 3.581 – 0.570 3.105 – 0.482
1st 3.581 3.105
2nd 2.262 1.983
3rd 1.658 1.454
4th 1.208 1.057
5th 0.885 0.779
6th 0.618 0.542
Reverse 3.667 3.018
Final drive axle ratio 4.111
Chassis
Steering Electric power-assisted rack-and-pinion
Suspension
(4-wheel independent) Front MacPherson struts, lower L-arms, coil springs, stabilizer bar
Rear Double wishbone, coil springs, stabilizer bar
Minimum turning circle at tyre (radius) (m) 5.5
Brakes Front Ventilated disc brakes
Rear Ventilated disc brakes
Tyre/wheel size 225/65R17, 17 x 7"J 225/60R18, 18 x 7"J
*1 Fuel consumption and CO₂ emissions: According to EC715/2007-EC136/2014W.(2.5i BASE EyeSight, 2.5i EyeSight, 2.5i-S EyeSight)
*1 Fuel consumption and CO₂ emissions: According to ECE R101-01. (3.6R-S)
*2 Measured by VDA (V214).
Vehicle kerb weight varies according to the types of optional equipment included. Specification data and model lineup may vary according to market.
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
2011 JEEP PATRIOT TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
Dimensions are in inches (millimeters) unless otherwise noted.
General Information
Body Style Sport-utility vehicle
Layout Transverse front-engine front-wheel drive or four-wheel drive
Construction Unitized steel body
Assembly Plant Belvidere, Ill.
EPA Vehicle Class Compact SUV
Introduction Date December 2006 as a 2007 model
Engine
2.0-Liter DOHC 16-Valve I-4 With DUAL VVT 2.4-Liter DOHC 16-Valve I-4 With DUAL VVT
Availability Standard on 2WD Patriot Sport and 2WD Patriot Latitude Standard on Patriot Sport 4x4, Latitude 4x4 and Latitude X (4x2 and 4x4)
Type and Description Four cylinders in-line, tuned intake manifold with electronic Active Charge Motion-Control valves, dual counter-rotating balance shafts Four-cylinder in-line, tuned intake manifold with Electronic Active Charge Motion Control valves, dual counter-rotating balance shafts
Displacement 121.9 cu. in. (1998 cu. cm) 144 cu. in. (2360 cu. cm)
Bore x Stroke 3.39 x 3.39 (86 x 86) 3.46 x 3.82 (88 x 97)
Valve System Chain-driven DOHC, 16 valves, electronically controlled dual VVT, direct-acting shimless mechanical bucket tappets Chain-driven DOHC, 16 valves, electronically controlled dual VVT, direct-acting shimless mechanical bucket tappets
Fuel Injection Sequential, multiport, electronic, returnless Sequential, multiport, electronic, returnless
Construction High-pressure die-cast aluminum block with dry iron liners, cast-aluminum cylinder head, cast-aluminum ladder frame, forged steel crankshaft High-pressure die-cast aluminum block with dry iron liners, cast-aluminum cylinder head, cast-aluminum ladder frame, forged steel crankshaft
Compression Ratio 10.5:1 10.5:1
Power (SAE net, estimated) 158 bhp (117 kW) @ 6,400 rpm (79 bhp/liter) 172 bhp (129 kW) @ 6,000 rpm (72 bhp/liter)
Torque (SAE net, estimated) 141 lb.-ft. (191 N*m) @ 5,000 rpm 165 lb.-ft. (224 N*m) @ 4,400 rpm
Maximum Engine Speed 6,750 rpm (electronically limited) 6,500 rpm (electronically limited)
Fuel Requirement Unleaded regular, 87 octane (R+M)/2 Unleaded regular, 87 octane (R+M)/2
Oil Capacity 5.0 qt. (4.7L) SAE 5W/20 5.0 qt. (4.7L) SAE 5W/20
Coolant Capacity 7.2 qt. (6.8L) 7.2 qt. (6.8L)
Emission Controls Single catalytic converter, dual heated oxygen sensors and engine features Single catalytic converter--2WD
Dual catalytic converter--4WD
Dual heated oxygen sensors and engine features
Smog-forming Pollution 0.9 g/mile (0.56 g/km)(a) 0.9 g/mile (0.56 g/km)(b)
Estimated EPA Fuel Economy mpg (City/Hwy) (2009 EPA Standards) 23/29 -- 2WD with five speed manual transaxle
23/27 -- FWD CVT 23/28--2WD with five-speed manual transaxle
21/27--2WD with CVT2
22/28--4WD with five-speed manual transaxle
21/26--Freedom Drive I 4WD with CVT2
20/22--Freedom Drive II Off-Road Package 4WD with CVT2L
(a) NMOG + NOx emission limits under ULEV II and Tier 2, Bin 5 emission requirements.
(b) NMOG + NOx emission limits under ULEV II and Tier 2, Bin 5 emission requirements.
TRANSAXLE
MAGNA DRIVELINE T355 5-SPEED
Availability Standard--2.0L engine
Standard--2.4L engine
Description 5-speed, overdrive, synchronized in all forward ratios, cable-operated, 3-plane shifter
Gear Ratios
1st 3.77
2nd 2.16
3rd 1.41
4th 1.026
5th 0.72
Reverse 3.417
Final-drive Ratio 4.12
Overall Top-gear 3.34


Read more: http://www.trucktrend.com/features/tech/163_2011_jeep_patriot_tech_specs/#ixzz3WjlL2Ov8Reverse was set at 3.417:1. The final drive ratio as installed in the 2012 Jeep Patriot was 4.12, with an overall top gear ratio of 2.97:1.
The dodge caliber and Patriot share the same hardware
Curb weight 4WD, 2.4L MTX: 3,346 (1518)
 

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