While on vacation......

[NevadaLover]

About half the range, like any other truck. Charge times and locations are the killer. I’d pick towing with my Rivian over my 3500 diesel every time if the charge times were better, it’s that much better. The Ram is far more convenient though with quick fuel stops.

My '99 suburban big block pulls my 7000 pound trailer at near 10 mpg, depending on hills, that gets me roughly 400 miles between 10 minute fuel stops, 350 miles at the shortest, same fuel stops, still have not seen or read EV's coming anywhere near that.

 

[crazysccrmd]

My '99 suburban big block pulls my 7000 pound trailer at near 10 mpg, depending on hills, that gets me roughly 400 miles between 10 minute fuel stops, 350 miles at the shortest, same fuel stops, still have not seen or read EV's coming anywhere near that.

No one ever claimed that was the case. A R1T rated at 400 miles will do about 200 towing, just like my 3500 will do about 600 miles but only 300 or so when towing. The electric drivetrain is far better for towing but the shorter range and long charge times suck.

 

[NevadaLover]

No one ever claimed that was the case. A R1T rated at 400 miles will do about 200 towing, just like my 3500 will do about 600 miles but only 300 or so when towing. The electric drivetrain is far better for towing but the shorter range and long charge times suck.

Many, many EV advocates have posted unrealistic ranges, nevermind while towing!

Point is, EV vehicles are still leaps and bounds behind ICE vehicles in many of the metrics that users require their daily drivers to provide.

EV's are improving, just not enough for the majority of new vehicle buyers to consider.

 

[life_w_vagabonds]

My '99 suburban big block pulls my 7000 pound trailer at near 10 mpg, depending on hills, that gets me roughly 400 miles between 10 minute fuel stops, 350 miles at the shortest, same fuel stops, still have not seen or read EV's coming anywhere near that.

Such an novel comparison, a 40 gallon gas tank! Why didn’t they think of that?

A gallon of gas is roughly 35 kWh of energy (40 gallons x35 kWh = 1400 kWh equivalent, roughly 11 R1T large packs entire capacity.)

Doubt that will register, or even the fact that few people tow frequently long distances, the entire world is not exactly like you claim to be.

 

[86scotty]

Such an novel comparison, a 40 gallon gas tank! Why didn’t they think of that?

A gallon of gas is roughly 35 kWh of energy (40 gallons x35 kWh = 1400 kWh equivalent, roughly 11 R1T large packs entire capacity.)

Doubt that will register, or even the fact that few people tow frequently long distances, the entire world is not exactly like you claim to be.

Dude, you get snarkier and more negative with every post. Are you always this way?

You take a post which is more or less in agreement with you and turn against the poster.

Wow.

 

[crazysccrmd]

Many, many EV advocates have posted unrealistic ranges, nevermind while towing!

Point is, EV vehicles are still leaps and bounds behind ICE vehicles in many of the metrics that users require their daily drivers to provide.

EV's are improving, just not enough for the majority of new vehicle buyers to consider.

I’d say a the only metric they are behind is the difference between charge time and refilling a gas tank. If you could top up a battery in 5 minutes just about anywhere in the country also then there’d be really no reason to buy ICE. Neither of those solutions are happening anytime soon so ICE have a distinct advantage.

 

[crazysccrmd]

A gallon of gas is roughly 35 kWh of energy (40 gallons x35 kWh = 1400 kWh equivalent, roughly 11 R1T large packs entire capacity.)

That’s one of the statistics that EV proponents use but it just doesn’t work. The potential energy of a gallon of gas is ~35kwh but there’s no engines that can actually extract that energy. On average a vehicle engine is 30% efficient so that gallon of gas is 11kwh of real world energy. This is especially misleading with the EPA MPGe calculations that use the full energy value with no allowance for real world performance.

 

[life_w_vagabonds]

Dude, you get snarkier and more negative with every post. Are you always this way?

You take a post which is more or less in agreement with you and turn against the poster.

Wow.

This thread started as an anti-EV ******** post, based on an assumption. There are about a 1/2 dozen members who frequent this sub that only offer the same tired narratives with little pushback. They aren’t interested in EVs, they’re just here to kick a puppy.

Any content about actual EVs get very little traction here, but anti-EV sentiments in an EV forum, get all the hits. Rarely are the threads even backed up with sourcing. Overland Journals coverage of EVs is decades ahead of the average poster on this sub.

 

[life_w_vagabonds]

That’s one of the statistics that EV proponents use but it just doesn’t work. The potential energy of a gallon of gas is ~35kwh but there’s no engines that can actually extract that energy. On average a vehicle engine is 30% efficient so that gallon of gas is 11kwh of real world energy. This is especially misleading with the EPA MPGe calculations that use the full energy value with no allowance for real world performance.

Yes I was being generous, so 30 large packs.

Many don’t realize they are combined cycle tests with a mix of city and highway driving at lower speeds than most freeways. It’s over analyzed with EVs, most combustion drivers have no idea what their actual mileage is and don’t care.

Over ten years having an EV as a daily and now my only. I don’t pay much attention to range anymore. I plug it in at home and go where I want to go. Not all EVs have route planning, just the ones worth buying.

 

[NevadaLover]

Such an novel comparison, a 40 gallon gas tank! Why didn’t they think of that?

A gallon of gas is roughly 35 kWh of energy (40 gallons x35 kWh = 1400 kWh equivalent, roughly 11 R1T large packs entire capacity.)

Doubt that will register, or even the fact that few people tow frequently long distances, the entire world is not exactly like you claim to be.

I made a comparison of range, I don't care how I can go 400 miles without stopping for more range whether it's ICE or a battery pack, my point is that I can and regularly do go at least 400 miles towing any trailer I own wherever I point the tires!

So far there are NO options in the EV market that can come close to that range, and I still have yet to see or read a real world example of any EV being used the way I use my rig, my requirements include towing, payload, storage, sleeping inside comfortably, exploring the backroads and offroading, no option for those requirements in the EV world so I'm using an ICE vehicle that does, easily.

In all my travels on backroads and dirt roads I have yet to see a single EV, why is that? Can they not handle the dirt? Are they only made for paved roads? Are the owners afraid to explore off the beaten path? Range anxiety? Too many questions and still no answers, enjoy your EV since it meets your needs but for the overwhelming majority of buyers an EV is not the vehicle we need.

Dude, you get snarkier and more negative with every post. Are you always this way?

You take a post which is more or less in agreement with you and turn against the poster.

Wow.

EV proponents are the vegans of the 21st century, they just can't handle the simple fact that their way of thinking isn't the only way of thinking and demand that everyone follow their lead.

 

[crazysccrmd]

In all my travels on backroads and dirt roads I have yet to see a single EV, why is that? Can they not handle the dirt? Are they only made for paved roads? Are the owners afraid to explore off the beaten path? Range anxiety? Too many questions and still no answers, enjoy your EV since it meets your needs but for the overwhelming majority of buyers an EV is not the vehicle we need.

Simple production numbers and capability are the explanation. EVs account for less than 1% of total registered vehicles in the US and it wasn’t until Rivian and Ford started producing trucks in late 2021 that there were even EVs capable of doing much more than graded gravel roads. Rivians and Ford Lightnings are about 6% of the total EV 1% market share, so you have roughly a 1 in 1600 chance to see an EV that is capable of being off-road where you are.

 

[NevadaLover]

Simple production numbers and capability are the explanation. EVs account for less than 1% of total registered vehicles in the US and it wasn’t until Rivian and Ford started producing trucks in late 2021 that there were even EVs capable of doing much more than graded gravel roads. Rivians and Ford Lightnings are about 6% of the total EV 1% market share, so you have roughly a 1 in 1600 chance to see an EV that is capable of being off-road where you are.

My point exactly, the EV market isn't developed enough to meet my requirements, yet.

But certain users here have made assinine claims and assertions that EV's are a perfect replacement for ICE vehicles and those of us who haven't replaced our ICE vehiclse are dinosaurs hell bent on killing the world with our evil pollution makers, as if EV's and their production are perfectly clean and use no fossil fuels at all.

The number of EV's that pass thru my town every day is quite high, all types and models including rivians, e-hummers and those ridiculous looking cybertrucks, yet none to be seen off the beaten path, I wonder what a good set of all terrains will do to the range of a rivian compared to the stock tires? Time will tell.

 

[crazysccrmd]

I wonder what a good set of all terrains will do to the range of a rivian compared to the stock tires? Time will tell.

Around 10%, again similar to an ICE truck when you swap street tires for heavier and larger all terrains. The R1T dual max drops from 420 on street tires to 370 with larger all terrains. Non factory tire swaps have been about the same percentage.

 

[SimplyAnAdventure]

Just read this whole thread, obviously people have strong opinions on both sides so let me share my own perspective.

First off this is America and anyone should be allowed to buy and drive whatever they like, that means Gas, Diesel, EV, or a clown car. This Should be a free country to make your own choices; I 10000% disagree with any mandates. Incentives I like, mandates I hate. Basically in my mind if they want people to embrace EV’s use the carrot, not the stick.

The reason I feel qualified to speak on this particular topic is I currently own and use both. I have a 2023 F150 Lightning Extended Range as well as a 2023 F350 Tremor with the 7.3L Godzilla gas engine.

Both of these vehicles are truly capable and fantastic in their own right. “In general” I use the Lightning to commute and the Tremor to camp but both have swapped duties as needed or because I wanted to try something different. I’ve used the Lightning pretty extensively as a fly fishing vehicle including some overnights and it’s been great.

The truth of EV’s is that while they can and do get pretty acceptable range when things are perfect (weather, terrain, speed) like a gas vehicle this can change quite dramatically. I live in a very northern climate and when cold weather rolls around tbh, they’re not so great.

Now from a driving experience the EV is 10X more fun to drive. It’s quieter, fast, more comfortable, and much less fatiguing to drive in most all situations.

This is actually my 3rd EV and my favorite so far though camping inside my Tesla Model Y when fishing was an amazing experience for sure.

Bottom line both types of vehicles have a purpose but one can definitely be better at things than another. For instance I’m planning on a couple weeks in Northern Maine this fall and if my only vehicle was an EV this trip not only would suck it would literally be impossible to do. That trip the Tremor gets the nod for sure.

I think if you can only own one vehicle, and I realize being able to have both is quite a luxury, you should own what’s best for you and your situation. Let’s be honest most of us drive to work 99% of the time and camp 1%, maybe an EV is ok. Personally I believe in having more than one tool in the toolbox and choosing the right one for the situation.

Let's be honestly you can duck hunt in a bass boat or bass fish in a duck boat but choosing the right one will certainly enhance your experience.

In my personal opinion for the travel I do, which is generally quite remote and offgrid for 2-4 weeks at a time once or twice a year I think an EV would be a pretty awful choice.

If I was more of a weekend warrior (I work weekends) and went out for 2 days at a time not too far from home my Lightning with a low mounted iKamper over the bed would probably be pretty great honestly. I still love it for short trips to the river and certainly it’s the best commuter I’ve ever owned.

Bottom line, if you have to own one, choose what’s right for you and don’t get mad at anyone else for what they choose to own. But honestly. Don’t think an EV is even close to being able to do what a ICE vehicle can do. Unless battery technology drastically changes we’re a ways away from that.

This is all just my $0.06 (adjusted for inflation) and worth what you paid for it.

 

[life_w_vagabonds]

Just read this whole thread, obviously people have strong opinions on both sides so let me share my own perspective.

First off this is America and anyone should be allowed to buy and drive whatever they like, that means Gas, Diesel, EV, or a clown car. This Should be a free country to make your own choices; I 10000% disagree with any mandates. Incentives I like, mandates I hate. Basically in my mind if they want people to embrace EV’s use the carrot, not the stick.

The reason I feel qualified to speak on this particular topic is I currently own and use both. I have a 2023 F150 Lightning Extended Range as well as a 2023 F350 Tremor with the 7.3L Godzilla gas engine.

Both of these vehicles are truly capable and fantastic in their own right. “In general” I use the Lightning to commute and the Tremor to camp but both have swapped duties as needed or because I wanted to try something different. I’ve used the Lightning pretty extensively as a fly fishing vehicle including some overnights and it’s been great.

The truth of EV’s is that while they can and do get pretty acceptable range when things are perfect (weather, terrain, speed) like a gas vehicle this can change quite dramatically. I live in a very northern climate and when cold weather rolls around tbh, they’re not so great.

Now from a driving experience the EV is 10X more fun to drive. It’s quieter, fast, more comfortable, and much less fatiguing to drive in most all situations.

This is actually my 3rd EV and my favorite so far though camping inside my Tesla Model Y when fishing was an amazing experience for sure.

Bottom line both types of vehicles have a purpose but one can definitely be better at things than another. For instance I’m planning on a couple weeks in Northern Maine this fall and if my only vehicle was an EV this trip not only would suck it would literally be impossible to do. That trip the Tremor gets the nod for sure.

I think if you can only own one vehicle, and I realize being able to have both is quite a luxury, you should own what’s best for you and your situation. Let’s be honest most of us drive to work 99% of the time and camp 1%, maybe an EV is ok. Personally I believe in having more than one tool in the toolbox and choosing the right one for the situation.

Let's be honestly you can duck hunt in a bass boat or bass fish in a duck boat but choosing the right one will certainly enhance your experience.

In my personal opinion for the travel I do, which is generally quite remote and offgrid for 2-4 weeks at a time once or twice a year I think an EV would be a pretty awful choice.

If I was more of a weekend warrior (I work weekends) and went out for 2 days at a time not too far from home my Lightning with a low mounted iKamper over the bed would probably be pretty great honestly. I still love it for short trips to the river and certainly it’s the best commuter I’ve ever owned.

Bottom line, if you have to own one, choose what’s right for you and don’t get mad at anyone else for what they choose to own. But honestly. Don’t think an EV is even close to being able to do what a ICE vehicle can do. Unless battery technology drastically changes we’re a ways away from that.

This is all just my $0.06 (adjusted for inflation) and worth what you paid for it.

It’s pretty rare to have a conversation here about actual EVs. Anything nearly as positive as what Overland Journal puts out get very little interest. Start a thread with an anti EV title with no sourcing and the same half dozen or so members show up with the same forwards from Grandma.

Without any content moderation this sub is a cesspool of misinformation, half truths and agenda based language intentional or not. Expo needs EV content if it’s going to stay relevant going forward.

I’ll leave the concept of free will and choice to another forum, but there is no EV mandate. The mandate is for manufacturers, to nudge them to build vehicles that meet certain emissions metrics. They don’t have to be EVs. Without this push, and protectionism, some manufacturers will not be able to compete in a “free market”.

The narrative of taking away something, is a common political tactic. Language is import, I appreciate your sentiment though.