Why are other full size SUV's not used in overlanding/offroading as often as Forerunner/Landcruiser?

[beef tits]

You're right, it is not hard to call and ask, but that is assuming you get someone on the phone who actually knows what they are talking about. Good luck. It also would not have been hard for their engineers to specify the correct fluid from the get go. The real story is that Mercon-V was supposed to be backwards compatible, UNTIL they realized t-cases were literally exploding at highway speeds. They only issued a TSB, never any recalls... Great company!

Toyota had open recalls on their late 80s/early 90s 3.0 v6 into the mid-2000s for potential head gasket issues. They often replace exhausts and suspension components for the life of the vehicle, if you are the original owner "those parts should never fail".

The 80's Toyotas were known for having really bad rust on the beds. Guess where the beds came from? The US! Those trucks were shipped over as a cab-on-frame. The beds were built and installed in the US. GO figure!

Another fun fact; Ford did not fully change over to 6 digit odometers until 1995. Tell me how a car with a 5 digit odometer was ever designed with longevity in mind!

I could go all day!

 

[beef tits]

I could have got 1,000,000 miles out of my Ford had I kept fixing it. Same with any Ford. They run great as long as you keep fixing them. Toyotas simply never need repaired. That is the difference. I prefer to use my weekends exploring, not fixing oil leaks or replacing parts that shouldn't break in the first place.

 

[mountainsports2002]

Until the frame rusts in half.

 

[alanymarce]

Hmm - the vehicle we've driven which had covered most miles - a Land Cruiser with 530,000 miles on the odometer (and it had been broken for a while...). We met a guy travelling in a Land Cruiser in South America who had driven over a million Km in it.

 

[85_Ranger4x4]

You're right, it is not hard to call and ask, but that is assuming you get someone on the phone who actually knows what they are talking about. Good luck. It also would not have been hard for their engineers to specify the correct fluid from the get go. The real story is that Mercon-V was supposed to be backwards compatible, UNTIL they realized t-cases were literally exploding at highway speeds. They only issued a TSB, never any recalls... Great company!

Toyota had open recalls on their late 80s/early 90s 3.0 v6 into the mid-2000s for potential head gasket issues. They often replace exhausts and suspension components for the life of the vehicle, if you are the original owner "those parts should never fail".

The 80's Toyotas were known for having really bad rust on the beds. Guess where the beds came from? The US! Those trucks were shipped over as a cab-on-frame. The beds were built and installed in the US. GO figure!

Another fun fact; Ford did not fully change over to 6 digit odometers until 1995. Tell me how a car with a 5 digit odometer was ever designed with longevity in mind!

I could go all day!

This is hilarious.

Toyota made trucks that were very inferior from a corrosion standpoint compared to domestic trucks because they had the frames and beds made in the US... like domestic trucks?

Toyota R&D had to catch up on how to build things that last in markets with treated roads. If they had them designed them better they would have at least been on par with their competitors that were made in the same country...

Toyota Truck Rust: Epic Auto Failures

As part of our automotive engineering failures series, Popular Mechanics is rounding up the most dismal design failures in automotive history. Today: The Toyota truck beds of the 1970s.

www.popularmechanics.com

They were single wall too which is kind of a cheap/cheesy way to build a truck bed.

 

[beef tits]

I’ll take a rusty reliable Toyota over a clean shiny Ford any day of the week.

 

[Peter_n_Margaret]

Rust?
What rust?
(There were holes in the chassis big enough to put your hand through)
Lives on the beach. Still going strong

Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome

 

[ExplorerTom]

I could have got 1,000,000 miles out of my Ford had I kept fixing it. Same with any Ford. They run great as long as you keep fixing them. Toyotas simply never need repaired. That is the difference. I prefer to use my weekends exploring, not fixing oil leaks or replacing parts that shouldn't break in the first place.

So true story: I’ve got a buddy with a 100-series Lexus. He was unable to go on a trip with me anthe local overlanding club because it was down getting new axle seals and bearings. On a Ford/Dana type axle, this is an hour job. On his superior Toyota product, it required a press and a special tool. And several days in the driveway.

So I left him behind and took my dog ******** designed Ford and had a great weekend.

I look forward to your expertly crafted rebuttal about how he doesn’t know to work on it and you could have done it in 15 minutes.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

Toyotas simply never need repaired. That is the difference.

Funny thing...the only vehicle that I have ever had to have a tow truck bring home was my 2002 Tundra. That was the third time an OEM alternator went out on it. That was right after the starter went out, the suspension wore out, and the rear end took a dump. The OEM radiator only lasted about 90k and the paint was also a joke.

 

[phsycle]

I’ve had good luck with all of my Toyota’s. Good luck with domestics as well. Knock on wood. One thing that I like about domestics is you can get about any part out in bfe.

 

[Peter_n_Margaret]

Anywhere in the world outside the USA, the answer is easy.
Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome

 

[phsycle]

Yeah, we get it— that’s a cool Troopy. I’ve seen a couple run around here. I’ve seen some series LR’s as well. All vintage cool.

I’m about the most spartan person among my group of friends. I like cloth seats. Manual trans. “XL’s” “Tradesman” type of trucks. But I would not enjoy daily driving, camping, traveling, road tripping in one. Creaks, rattles, sooooooo slooooow. No thanks.

 

[XJLI]

Rust?
What rust?
(There were holes in the chassis big enough to put your hand through)
Lives on the beach. Still going strong
View attachment 606325
Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome

For driving 10mph down a beach? Great. You'd put your family in that and travel 65 mph for 1,500 miles though? I'm trying to not get flung across traffic when I hit the brakes and the axles reject themselves from the chassis because all thats left of the bolts holding them in place is brown dust and potato chips.

I had a T100 with a section of frame that was almost completely torn from the rest. When you hit the brakes the bed hit the cab on the driver's side. I cleaned it up and welded it, along with another section on the same side, but the rest of the truck was so in need of that sort of attention it just wasnt worth it. Ball joints, all four wheels bearings were loose, suspension was super creaky due to dried up rubber...

Truck only had 130k miles on it. Sold it for what I paid for it to someone to use as a weekend home depot hauler.

 

[beef tits]

So true story: I’ve got a buddy with a 100-series Lexus. He was unable to go on a trip with me anthe local overlanding club because it was down getting new axle seals and bearings. On a Ford/Dana type axle, this is an hour job. On his superior Toyota product, it required a press and a special tool. And several days in the driveway.

So I left him behind and took my dog **** designed Ford and had a great weekend.

I look forward to your expertly crafted rebuttal about how he doesn’t know to work on it and you could have done it in 15 minutes.

I would wager that he either trashed it, or it had 300k+ miles before needing that service.

Yes your sloppy domestic axle bearings will fall right out easily in 15 minutes. That's only a good thing if you like replacing them every other weekend.

I have another true story; used to work with a large defense contractor that will go unnamed. They buy 100s, if not 1,000s of truck at a time for their fleet. They were deciding between Ford and Toyota so they bought 10 of each to run some tests. They took the transmissions out of all the trucks (all 10 Ford and all 10 Toyota exactly the same), tore them down completely and threw all the parts into bins. They then rebuilt all 10 transmissions using RANDOM parts from the bins (no inter-mixing, mind you, they were separated by brand). At the end of the experiment ALL 10 TOYOTA TRANSMISSIONS WORKED AS THEY SHOULD. 6 of the Ford transmissions worked. This was back in the early 2000s. They still bought the Fords because HURR DURR AMERICA. Ford has supposedly gotten better since then but their reputation for building dogshit still remains.

Both stories (yours and mind) reflect the fact that Toyota uses much tighter design tolerances. Things rarely break because they aren't thrown together so sloppily. You need a press to get bearings out because they're designed to rarely, if ever, need replaced.

As I have said numerous times, some Fords are reliable... but a much higher percentage of Toyotas will run problem free.

 

[beef tits]

Rust?
What rust?
(There were holes in the chassis big enough to put your hand through)
Lives on the beach. Still going strong
View attachment 606325
Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 motorhome

Love it!

Also, I grew up in Ohio and ALL TRUCKS RUST! There are just as many rotted out Fords and Chevies in the rust belt as there are Toyotas. The Toyotas just run longer. 200-300k worth of road salt will do WAY more damage than a a vehicle with 5 digit odometer will EVER see.