plainjaneFJC
Deplorable
TFL ran it up the toaster test twice, it passed the second time- most trucks have failed so far.
Will Jeep and Ram Truck Prices Take a Steep Dive Soon?
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Todd780
OverCamper
Had they had the Hurricane out when I was truck shopping, I very much could have ended up in a Ram.
I didn't like how my 5.0 performed while towing so it was between the Ecoboost F150 and 22 Tundra for me. Obviously went with the F150 judging by my avatar, lol
That being said, I think it was a mistake not to keep the Hemi around as an option for those that prefer a V8. I will admit they sound much better than the TTV6's.
Well, I need to just spit that taste out, because I did it.
The oil issue was fixed under a recall, it got decent mpg, just less under my heavy foot, and the coils?.....oh well.
Traded it in yesterday on a 2022 with 24,000 miles, loaded, heated seats, navigation, etc. with a V-6, it goes and can pull 4500 pounds, my travel trailer with water is 3200 pounds! No one knows we traded because it's a white Jeep Cherokee trail hawk, like the old one. The old one had 99850 miles on it, a 2017, the difference was 26200, I'd say that's a good deal.
They should sell two door wrangler soft tops manual shift stripped down for 25k. Get rid of the extra battery and that silly electric help, have a mid sized screen, blue tooth and abs. No carpet. No navigation. No electric seats, roll down windows.
They would sell thousands. The Miata of off road and a blast to drive around town.
They would sell thousands. The Miata of off road and a blast to drive around town.
driveby
Active member
That's the root issue though... 1000's of low margin vehicles vs 10's of 1000s high margin vehicles (with bells and whistles). the stripper Jeep you describe is great for Uni kids, off roaders, and any motorhome owner with a 5k hitch on the back for a TOAD. My guess is the total addressable market for those 3 groups is pretty darn small vs generic mall crawler folks who want to look like they go offroad but really only go to the mall or craft brewery..... The high margin loaded vehicle at high prices model worked until it suddenly isn't. Sure Stellantis (and others) pushed the model to the limit and beyond but they did what the market will bear. Now they need to adjust quickly. And they aren't being quick....
Todd780
OverCamper
I towed our 2010 Fleetwood Coleman Utah tent trailer with our old V6 Cherokee with the tow package. It wasn't fun and what led to me getting a pickup.
AbleGuy
Officious Intermeddler
The bad news for Stellaris continues with todays announcement of a 2,500 worker layout.
This drop of automakers seems partly due to the discontinuation of the Classic Ram truck ...
"The Warren Truck Assembly Plant manufactures the Ram 1500 Classic, which is being discontinued after this model year, as well as the Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer. Stellantis said the layoffs in Warren, first announced in August, will begin on Saturday. It added that they are the result of the end of production of the Ram Classic." (1)
But the total new layoff looks like it accounts for @ 5% of their workers!
"Stellantis, the parent company of Jeep, Chrysler and Ram, just laid off up to 2,500 autoworkers " (2)
One has to wonder what impact this will have on Jeep and truck model availability and prices🤔
(1) https://kansaspublicradio.org/npr-n...-ram-lays-off-more-than-1-000-detroit-workers
(2) https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...ousands-of-autoworkers-unemployed/ar-AA1skS3d
This drop of automakers seems partly due to the discontinuation of the Classic Ram truck ...
"The Warren Truck Assembly Plant manufactures the Ram 1500 Classic, which is being discontinued after this model year, as well as the Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer. Stellantis said the layoffs in Warren, first announced in August, will begin on Saturday. It added that they are the result of the end of production of the Ram Classic." (1)
But the total new layoff looks like it accounts for @ 5% of their workers!
"Stellantis, the parent company of Jeep, Chrysler and Ram, just laid off up to 2,500 autoworkers " (2)
One has to wonder what impact this will have on Jeep and truck model availability and prices🤔
(1) https://kansaspublicradio.org/npr-n...-ram-lays-off-more-than-1-000-detroit-workers
(2) https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...ousands-of-autoworkers-unemployed/ar-AA1skS3d
Todd780
OverCamper
Well, to me it's about time they stopped building a truck that came out 15 years ago... But to each their own.
As far as prices go, I think if they try and raise prices, they'll shoot themselves in the foot.
Stellantis (As well as other manufactures) already have loads of cash on the hoods (even Wranglers) to try and move their stuff off lots.
SDDiver5
Expedition Leader
Saw today that they are selling their 4k acre proving grounds in AZ to free up some cash. Not a good sign!
Apparently they are going to share the Toyota proving grounds.
Apparently they are going to share the Toyota proving grounds.
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I have seen pics of widow stickers where dealerships were upcharging for cat etching on full-electric vehicles, of all things.Maybe part of the problem is dealers trying to pull this crap, lol
I feel conflicted about this whole topic - I needed at least a full size if not an HD recently for tow capacity in a big hurry and it ended up being a tossup between:
- F250's, of which there were basically only 95k+ trims and bare bones work trucks on the lots
- Ram 2500's, but again with awful selection despite the voluminous inventory
Basically none of the Ram dealers were willing to budge on MSRP - some even wanted upcharges over sticker. They were drowning in white work trucks with no fleet sales people working. Ford was offering pretty decent discounts, but it was just white XL's and there were zero crew cab short beds within 150+ miles.
Ended up snagging a RAM 2500 Tradseman w/ the Power Wagon package, cutting a check for MSRP 😑 . Only one on a lot in the state so between that and our time crunch, talking them down wasn't really practical. They did come out with a 15k upcharge for every BS addon under the sun, which we promptly rejected and didn't pay for. Not that I really care about free wheel locks or ceramic coat, etc.
I love the truck, Stellantis vibes aside; we have never owned a full size let alone a 3/4 ton. 6.4 gets me better gas mileage on the highway than my Frontier if I'm not towing. It hauls what I need to tow effortlessly (3-7k lbs). Payload is a couple hundred pounds higher than most of the actual Power Wagons because it is bare bones - it's like sitting in a U-haul rental. OEM brake controller and tow-haul mode is excellent. All I needed was Line-X, some Sumosprings in the back, and low profile step boards and we're good. The 10 year old Frontier will almost certainly get replaced by another newer one in a couple of years, but having this giant ass truck has really been life changing. We don't daily drive it but 2/3 of the 5000 miles on it has been pulling a trailer, and most of the rest has had the bed full.
Other notable aspect of it is that overall it's on the small side for an HD cab - not that we feel it coming from a midsize - and it fits in a normal parking space.
85_Ranger4x4
Well-known member
I don't think they do it anymore but I always loved the concept of a Tradesman Power Wagon.
They do - they're just hard to find. Not as hard as the XL Offroad Package F-250's, though, or else I'd be driving a Ford.
Winch is pretty neat to have even if the OEM in-bumper setup makes using it a pain. But the goal is using it as little as possible. Winch + front locker + electronic sway bar disconnect is what tipped the scales for me vs. a bare bones Superduty for a few thousand less, even if I have to deal with nonsense like Hemi gremlins, no diff cover drain plugs, and the zytel ZF-8 transmission pan.
People seemed unimpressed with the old 6-speed and I'd think the Ford 10-speeds are better, but the 8-speed is no slouch. Not a single complaint about it, and tapping the brakes to downshift in tow-haul makes towing a breeze. Lot of people also complain about the auto-park feature but it's saved my bacon a few times as I get used to the dial shifter.
3/4 ton engine, brakes, and mass with 1/2 ton payload effectively gives you a truck with 1/2 ton tow capacity, except you can use all that capacity comfortably.
Todd780
OverCamper
They did in Canada for 2024. Not sure if they will for 2025. But, unless you just want the extra payload, price wise here, a Tradesman with the Power Wagon package is pretty close to a regular Power Wagon anyway. And, the regular Power Wagon will probably retain it's resale better.
