Winches - situations when do you gotta have one?

stioc

Expedition Leader
Were you guys in situations where driving back, digging or using traction aids (maxtrax etc) wasn't an option and winching was the only way? I'm trying to play out the scenarios in my head to justify the added weight, poor approach angle, blocked air-flow and the cost (bumper+winch = $2k) but I'm having a hard time. How often would I need it when everything else fails including using my hi-lift for winching (practical for about a 4-10ft pull).
 

fishEH

Explorer
I, or somebody I've been with, have been in a few situations where a winch was vital for recovery. Here's one. Winch to the rear, another to the front, both utilizing snatch blocks I believe.
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Sometimes other methods of recovery are possible, but not ideal. A winch is slow and methodical. Sometimes a fast jerk with a rope would result in body damage or getting stuck worse.
 

Sangster

Adventurer
My winch has earned it's keep MANY times over. Of course it only cost me $150 new in the box from a garage sale. The winch bumper was $1k. Makes wheeling alone a little bit less stressful.

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4x4x4doors

Explorer
The situations I can think of where a winch was ideal were similar to those in the picture above where you've got the vehicle in a situation where sliding sideways while trying to recover was an issue. Each of the ones I can think of had a vehicle partially off the road/trail and off camber. Like a lot of recovery gear, the instance where this is really the only way are very rare but when you're in that situation, you're glad you have it. Many of those instances would also have been possible with a good quality hand winch.

I'll also say that I've seen more instances where the vehicle needing recovery was not the one who had the winch than where it was.
 

digitaldelay

Explorer
Another option is a removable tray winch. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find a front receiver available for an '01 Pathfinder. You could get a hitch shop to weld up custom or just use it winching off the back.

FWIW, my local Costco has a 10k Snap-On winch with tray for $400. Tempting for me, but probably overkill for my 4000lb Suzuki, lol.

Jason
 

stephen13

XDrive
Winches, like most other things in life, such as insurance is not needed until it is needed. Then you will appreciate the investment. An electric winch can be an expensive addition to any vehicle, however, the cost may be offset, the first time it is used in earnest. A difficult recovery, may cost quite a lot if someone else is being paid to do the job. Likewise, body or panel damage to your vehicle may also be expensive A good quality hand winch and as you also said, a 'Hi-Lift' jack may be capable of extricating you from awkward situations. However, your endurance will be put to the test, if the recovery is long and uphill. Many people, myself included, pack a hand winch and Hi-Lift' jack as a precaution, similar to many people who carry more than one compressor. I use my electric winch now, more than my hand winch, although the hand winch I use for stabilising or securing a vehicle, prior to operating the electric winch. There are many situations, where logical thinking and a methodical approach will certainly get you unstuck, however, not everyone wishes to take hours and hours to extricate themselves. There is one positive form haveing manually operated equipment, such as a hand winch, you learn to drive and pick your lines better, or give up and go home earlier. If you are unsure of the investment cost, then by all means purchase a hand winch first. If you are stuck, then at least you have some means of extracting yourself, either sideways, or backwards, or even forward. If you use the hand winch often enough, then it may be logical to progress to an electric winch. You will already have invested in most of the added recovery equipment for the hand winch so no loss there and taking along the hand winch as a back up will also be beneficial.You cannot have enough recovery equipment, you may not take it all the time but you can select what you take on particular trips and you can share the load around with additional vehicles on the trip. Hope that this information helps you to make a decision.
 

stioc

Expedition Leader
All great points, I guess two use cases I've seen where a winch (particularly an electric winch) is pretty much the only option is when you have no room for another vehicle to pull you in the direction you need to be pulled. Two, if you're bogged down in standing water an electric winch is the difference between rescuing the truck quickly or salvaging it (provided the winch continues to function). I've been offroading (not rock crawling) for a few years and have never had the need to be pulled or extricated. However, as an insurance policy I do have my the hi-lift setup for winching (only practical for 4-10ft really). I've thought about buying a Tirfor style hand winch too which allows for longer pulls than the hi-lift and unlike the electric winch could be moved from one vehicle to the other or left at home when going with a group etc. However, it seems the effort required to winch using a Tirfor style winch is higher than the hi-lift - this is just from what I've observed in the various youtube videos and no first hand experience- can anyone confirm or deny this?

The other part of the winching equation for those of us in the desert is being lucky enough to find something to winch from (boulder, tree etc) or carry a PullPal.
 

Stumpalump

Expedition Leader
If I only had manual recovery gear I would have turned around a lot more often and missed some great spots.
 

4x4tripping

Adventurer
If I only had manual recovery gear I would have turned around a lot more often and missed some great spots.

+1
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It is for a relaxed driving when the situation is worse. You know you can get yourself out, therefore you will drive further where you otherwise would turn back.
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But we have to look on the different approaches for overlanding.
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There are the guys who really like offroad like these guys: roadtosomewhere
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And there are the guys who like to see the world, and have to drive offroad from time to time: pensioner caravan through mongolia
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And many of Overlanding/Offroad styles between. Some report that they never use the winch, others use them more often.
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Many overlanders try to take care of their car and avoid harder stuff. But also without the approach of harder stuff, you can find your "stuck" szenario, where a winch could avoid some hard work...
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Mostly it is not just the cost of a winch & bumper - also you have to look at the suspension if an upgrade is necessary.
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If you want to be able to help yourself because you will often go to areas where you dont find help - i suggests to equip your car with one.
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But you can do also a worldtrip without - there is always a way arround or back to drive arround of the problem zone....
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That is a "up to you" stuff.... Will you drive arround or through problematic areas when you are far from help?
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4x4tripping

Adventurer
If I only had manual recovery gear I would have turned around a lot more often and missed some great spots.

+1
.
It is for a relaxed driving when the situation is worse. You know you can get yourself out, therefore you will drive further where you otherwise would turn back.
.
But we have to look on the different approaches for overlanding.
.
There are the guys who really like offroad like these guys: roadtosomewhere
.
And there are the guys who like to see the world, and have to drive offroad from time to time: pensioner caravan through mongolia
.
And many of Overlanding/Offroad styles between. Some report that they never use the winch, others use them more often.
.
Many overlanders try to take care of their car and avoid harder stuff. But also without the approach of harder stuff, you can find your "stuck" szenario, where a winch could avoid some hard work...
.
Mostly it is not just the cost of a winch & bumper - also you have to look at the suspension if an upgrade is necessary.
.
If you want to be able to help yourself because you will often go to areas where you dont find help - i suggests to equip your car with one.
.
But you can do also a worldtrip without - there is always a way arround or back to drive arround of the problem zone....
.
That is a "up to you" stuff.... Will you drive arround or through problematic areas when you are far from help?
.
 

pugslyyy

Expedition Vehicle Engineer Guy
Were you guys in situations where driving back, digging or using traction aids (maxtrax etc) wasn't an option and winching was the only way? I'm trying to play out the scenarios in my head to justify the added weight, poor approach angle, blocked air-flow and the cost (bumper+winch = $2k) but I'm having a hard time. How often would I need it when everything else fails including using my hi-lift for winching (practical for about a 4-10ft pull).

Sounds like you aren't ready to buy a winch yet. You have to decide what's right for you - kudos to you for being strong enough and healthy enough to be able to do manual recovery. You're right, there is very little you can do with a winch that you can't do with a hi-lift and chain.
 

crawler#976

Expedition Leader
Price out a 100' chunk of grade 8 3/8" chain some time, then figure out how you can take the slack out of it with a 60" hi-lift...

Sent via gigawatt laser...
 

pugslyyy

Expedition Vehicle Engineer Guy
Price out a 100' chunk of grade 8 3/8" chain some time, then figure out how you can take the slack out of it with a 60" hi-lift...

Sent via gigawatt laser...

I've done recovery with that technique and yes, it takes a long time. You really need one of the long hi-lifts to be able to pull enough slack for it to work.

It's a good technique to know for self recovery because sometimes you need to secure the rear of the vehicle while pulling from the front (like a zero traction situation on a bad side slope and you don't want the rear to pivot down as you winch the front up)
 

LR Max

Local Oaf
I've used my winch many times to get myself and others out of trouble. Recently used it at Beasley Knob. If I didn't have a winch, I would've been seriously SOL. I couldn't move forward, nor backward. Even if I was able to move backwards, now I gotta wander aimlessly through the woods hoping to run into my friends who had already made it to the top.

Instead I pulled winch cable, made some remarks about how my vehicle isn't as manly as the others, and continued on.

For the southeastern region of the US, if you are running well known forest service roads, don't go after it rains, and you don't drive a 3/4 or 1 ton truck, then you don't need a winch. I have seen the bigger trucks get into trouble in a few places. Nothing against them, just a lot of steel, a lot of wheelbase, not a lot of tire, and not a lot of ground clearance.

If you actually want to hit the trails, a winch is always a great idea. Expensive? Yes. But in reality, if you have a Jeep, the lowly Warn M8000 can take care of you.
 

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