Yet ANOTHER suspension thread!

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Yes, I know it's been beaten to death, but I have some suspension questions I hope the suspension-smart people here can help with.

Ever since I got my '99 4runner I've noticed it sits a little low in the back. I'm assuming the rear springs and/or shocks are sagging a bit from age. Not a biggie as I plan on getting an aftermarket suspension anyway.

This is more or less a follow up to Clark White's thread about OME vs. Sonoran Steel 1.2 lifts. The SS lift is ~ 2x the cost of the OME and for that reason alone I'm leaning towards the OME.

Seems to me the one big difference is that the SS lift includes a new (adjustable) panhard bar for the rear suspension. My question would be: For a mild lift like this is a new panhard even neccessary? What does the panhard bar even do?

From reading through the other thread, it seems like the OME setup starts out around 2.5 - 3" of lift but then "settles" to about 1.75". Honestly, I don't really need a lift at all, as I don't plan on running anything much bigger than my current 265/75/16 tires (31.5"), I would be looking at 32" tires max (235/85/16.)

My thought is: If the rear is sagging and I have to replace the springs and shocks anyway, why not go ahead and upgrade to a higher quality and more durable setup?

My preferred setup would probably be the complete OME front and rear suspension, with 882 front coils (to accomodate an anticipated ARB and possibly a winch) and then either 890's or 891's in the rear. I don't plan on putting on a rear bumper or tire carrier at the present time (I need to preserve my towing ability) but could consider one in the future. The OME kit I'm looking at includes the front and rear springs and shocks.

Would the 891's provide too harsh a ride if I don't have extra weight in the back? Is there any reason to consider 890's over 891's on the rear for my desired use? I suppose I could start off with the 890's and then if I did decide to put a custom rear bumper or tire carrier on the back, I could upgrade to the 890's at that time, right?

Is there anything else I should be considering? I've never had a vehicle lifted before so this is unknown territory to me. Not sure if I should be thinking about steering components/diff drop or anything else. Generally speaking I like to keep a vehicle as stock as possible, and of course it is my daily driver so anything that compromises its usefulness in that role will have to be given considerable thought.

Thanks in advance!
 

CYi5

Explorer
I got the adjustable panhard and wouldn't do it again unless I was running LC coils in the rear. For the amount of lift given by the 890's/891's, the difference in panhard length was very very small.

the 890's do sag a bit when loaded with gear. I'll probably switch out to 891's someday.

If you look at my build thread you'll see 890's +10mm trim packers running 235/85s.
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
How difficult is it to install a lift kit like this one? I assume I'd need a spring compressor of some kind? Also a floor jack and jack stands (am I right in thinking I'll need 4 jack stands, 2 for the vehicle body and 2 to put under the rear axle?)

I'm a bit of a novice when it comes to mechanical work. If there are troubling safety issues involved in installing the lift, I'll leave it to the professionals but if I can save myself a couple hundred bucks I'd like to do that.
 

tacollie

Glamper
I just went you whole process. I ended up with the 890s in the rear and couldn't be happier. I talked to a couple people who said they couldn't tell a difference between the 890s and 891s after they put a bumper on. You will need a spring compressor, but aside from that it is a realitvily simple job imo. Just take your time and be sure to tighten everything. If your were in Colorado Springs I could help you with the coils. Some people prefer the bilstiens in the rear. I am happy with the OME, they ride better than my tacos ever did. The panhard is only neccessary with the LC coils.
 

cruiseroutfit

Well-known member
You won't need a spring compressor for the rear coils, but you will need a strut compressor or a press for the front coils. Its been my experience that a standard screw style spring compressor won't work on the tight winds of the front coils.

As for the panhard, I think everyone has summed it up nicely, 2" or less, no, 2-3" maybe, anything more a good idea :D
 

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