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flyingwil

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Well, that was 3 steps forward and 5 steps backwards....

We're now going to swap the engine to a 6.2 Diesel. Let the learning continue!
 

Nonimouse

Cynical old bastard
BW is chain driven

Only locked when viscous liquid is agitated

If you have one fitted make sure you have a spare

LT230 will last forever or until the layshaft 'o' ring hole is so oval what you put in comes straight out
 

muskyman

Explorer
there is no need to use a engine hoist if you have the trans mount as described in the Rave.

I have mine set up to mount onto a floor jack and mating the trans to the motor is a simple procedure.
 

Viggen

Just here...
I drove a D1 with the R380 and the 6.2 in it and it was actually really really nice. The 6.2 is just a heat tempermental motor. Too hot and you are in deep trouble. Why the switch?
 

Snagger

Explorer
BW is chain driven

Only locked when viscous liquid is agitated

If you have one fitted make sure you have a spare

LT230 will last forever or until the layshaft 'o' ring hole is so oval what you put in comes straight out
Like I said, my BW unit has done 170,000 miles and is still going strong with no attention other than replacing the ATF and replacing the rear seal. the reason they can go wrong is because so many people don't change the oil on schedule and because so many will abuse them by testing the brakes on a single roller pair or driving with a failed half shaft or missing prop shaft. Over extreme technical terrain like rock crawling, having one wheel frequently in the air might eventually lead to trouble too, but for more normal off roading and on-road driving, it's a superior unit to the LT230.

The viscous unit has internal clutch packs that act like a LSD. You can turn a wheel by hand if I jack it up, but only slowly (about 2 rpm, perhaps) - the viscous unit is always engaged, and does not open or close the diff like a locker.
 

Nonimouse

Cynical old bastard
Like I said, my BW unit has done 170,000 miles and is still going strong with no attention other than replacing the ATF and replacing the rear seal. the reason they can go wrong is because so many people don't change the oil on schedule and because so many will abuse them by testing the brakes on a single roller pair or driving with a failed half shaft or missing prop shaft. Over extreme technical terrain like rock crawling, having one wheel frequently in the air might eventually lead to trouble too, but for more normal off roading and on-road driving, it's a superior unit to the LT230.

The viscous unit has internal clutch packs that act like a LSD. You can turn a wheel by hand if I jack it up, but only slowly (about 2 rpm, perhaps) - the viscous unit is always engaged, and does not open or close the diff like a locker.

Fully agree with the first part - lovely unit. Never used in the Disco because of tech issues.

As to the second, in my book is something is locked by mechanical (fluid viscosity in this case) then it's open until the change. The same concept is used on Freelander 1.

Have a browse here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscous_coupling_unit
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
there is no need to use a engine hoist if you have the trans mount as described in the Rave.

I have mine set up to mount onto a floor jack and mating the trans to the motor is a simple procedure.

If you have the truck lifted high enough. My problem was the trans and Xfer wouldn't slide under the truck while sitting on the jack. If I had lifted the truck higher (12-18") then it would fit, but now it's not at a comfortable working height on your back. If you have a hydraulic lift, no problem. But for those who don't... The biggest struggle I had was getting the transmission off the floor, and then onto the jack, after I'd slid them under the truck on the floor. Oh, also, if the whole truck was 12-18" higher, then the jack wouldn't lift high enough anyway.

The engine hoist would solve these problems. Even if only to lift the trans off the floor long enough to get the tranny jack under it.
 

Maryland 110

Adventurer
I just put a 4.2 & Borg Warner in a 110 @ a customers request. The Range Rover mounts fit right up to the mount holes on a 110. Cant wait to test drive it.

Project looks great-you need to post more pictures !
 

Snagger

Explorer
Fully agree with the first part - lovely unit. Never used in the Disco because of tech issues.

As to the second, in my book is something is locked by mechanical (fluid viscosity in this case) then it's open until the change. The same concept is used on Freelander 1.

Have a browse here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscous_coupling_unit
Whether it's locked or open prior to spin up is a semantic debate, i suppose, but as long as we understand how it works...

Like I said, there are a few disadvantages to the BW unit (only one ratio available, no OD options and you can't lock it to limp home with a broken shaft), but it's not generally prone to "tech issues". I think the reason it wasn't introduced on the DII was cost - the LT230 was cheaper (especially with the removal of the diff lock selector linkages :rolleyes: )and the Discovery wasn't seen as being in a class where the refinement and better road handling of the BW mattered. It was deemed reliable and beneficial enough to be used on the P38, which though an unreliable car at the best of times, had few transmission problems and suffered almost entirely to electrics and EAS faults.
 

ArmyRover

Adventurer
I've limped my RRC with a BW and helped another head home with a broken axle. Just pull the driveshaft to the affected axle.
 

flyingwil

Supporting Sponsor - Sierra Expeditions
Well, we just got done cleaning up the engine and transmission and getting ready for paint. We wanted to attempt to go with "rover green" color on the engine, and we ended up with a "John Deer Green" color.

New driveline specs will be as follows:
Engine: 6.2L Detroit Diesel V8
Transmission: SM465 four-speed manual
Transfercase: New Process, NP205 (PTO ready)

Ok, so now to answer why all this? The RRC is going to a college kid, and we all know Rover Parts are expensive and replacement GM parts are easily available at a far cheaper price. In addition the mechanically driven pumps should prove to add reliability in the engine. Also the RRC is titled as a diesel from the 300tdi, and this should make licensing it a lot easier and cheaper.

Currently the 3.9L is being pulled from the RRC, while the 6.2L is being freshened up.

Will try and get pics up later.
 
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SeaRubi

Explorer
Well, we just got done cleaning up the engine and transmission and getting ready for paint. We wanted to attempt to go with "rover green" color on the engine, and we ended up with a "John Deer Green" color.

New driveline specs will be as follows:
Engine: 6.2L Detroit Diesel V8
Transmission: SM465 four-speed manual
Transfercase: New Process, NP205 (PTO ready)

Ok, so now to answer why all this? The RRC is going to a college kid, and we all know Rover Parts are expensive and replacement GM parts are easily available at a far cheaper price. In addition the mechanically driven pumps should prove to add reliability in the engine. Also the RRC is titled as a diesel from the 300tdi, and this should make licensing it a lot easier and cheaper.

Currently the 3.9L is being pulled from the RRC, while the 6.2L is being freshened up.

Will try and get pics up later.


I was going to do this same build, except using an Atlas II! ... then i went down the jeep road and bought my way to 4:1 glory. meh.

Look forward to how it comes along. Nothing wrong with the 6.2 and the SM465 is a great choice. This is a popular swap in Oz.

I forget who's this was exactly, but it's a 6.5 -

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cheers,
-ike
 
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