ShottsCruisers
Explorer
SOCALFJ said:
Yes, I heard that's another nasty one. Sounds like fun (if it doesn't get too slow). I'd like to get my 80 up to Blanca Peak. Watching those JAWS videos makes me salivate!
80 or 100
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Yes, I heard that's another nasty one. Sounds like fun (if it doesn't get too slow). I'd like to get my 80 up to Blanca Peak. Watching those JAWS videos makes me salivate!
adventureduo
Dave Druck [KI6LBB]
Think 10 miles of the little sluice 
Anyways, 80 vs. 100 series wars will never end.. so agree to disagree.
Anyways, 80 vs. 100 series wars will never end.. so agree to disagree.
ShottsCruisers
Explorer
SOCALFJ said:Think 10 miles of the little sluice
Anyways, 80 vs. 100 series wars will never end.. so agree to disagree.
YIKES! I seen pics of John Hocker's 80 after his wife went through LS. Amazing she drove it home! :sport_box
Life_in_4Lo
Explorer
Best4x4xfar said:
The 105 was created because the 100's ifs was too weak and failing at high rates. They basically added a wide 80 series solid front axle as a fix.
Yes, Slee's blueberry is a great design.
Pskhaat
2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
:iagree:
IIRC. they were introduced together. I however believe the 105 would have sold in % as many as in % were brought in. The average LC buyer would never have known the difference should it have been outfitted roughly the same (leather seats), even if not fitted the same it's not like Toyota doesn't have customer % statistics. All the `safety' equipment I feel could have also been matched equally.
I'll need a lot more convincing that a pre-made 105 that incurs the same delivery cost targetted at a smaller customer base would not have made it if not in volume possibly even a touch more on margin.
IIRC. they were introduced together. I however believe the 105 would have sold in % as many as in % were brought in. The average LC buyer would never have known the difference should it have been outfitted roughly the same (leather seats), even if not fitted the same it's not like Toyota doesn't have customer % statistics. All the `safety' equipment I feel could have also been matched equally.
I'll need a lot more convincing that a pre-made 105 that incurs the same delivery cost targetted at a smaller customer base would not have made it if not in volume possibly even a touch more on margin.
DaveInDenver said:Someone needs to tell this knucklehead that IFS is stupid to take through the Rubicon.
No one said IFS can't go through the Rubicon, I've seen it done plenty of times, including by a 100 series. It's more a matter of when things go wrong. It is generally easier to fix a solid axle truck than an IFS truck, and the SFA is less likely to break in the first place, Chris H's notwithstanding!
If you just want a wheeler, nothing compares to a SFA minitruck.
Good job, by the way.
Regarding 80 vs 100, to each his own. That debate has been beaten to death on numerous forums. They are very different trucks, with different strengths and weaknesses. In the day of $5 gas, the daily drive argument looses a lot of strength and you need to pick the best special purpose vehicle to suit your interest.
Life_in_4Lo
Explorer
hoser said:
i didn't realize that but well doesn't it beg the question why it was necessary to keep the sfa vehicle if the 100 ifs was so strong?
anyway, i don't mind ifs. Toyota has done a good job with it and making a robust design. Toyota took the lessons from the 100 and never repeated that mistake again. All the new toyota suv's have pretty nice coilover setups.
That's the only real beef with the 100 I have, otherwise a very typically excellent suv from Toyota.
ShottsCruisers
Explorer
Life_in_4Lo said:
WRONG. PLAIN WRONG. Please review facts before posting such a statement. Thanks!
I have a couple quick questions about 100 series...
1. A few guys have recommended 2003+, why is this? The 5 speed tranny, plus other features???
2. Do all 100 series have front torsion bars?
3. Is there a quality lift that allows 35" tires? (I know Shotts has them on his)
thanks
Jg
1. A few guys have recommended 2003+, why is this? The 5 speed tranny, plus other features???
2. Do all 100 series have front torsion bars?
3. Is there a quality lift that allows 35" tires? (I know Shotts has them on his)
thanks
Jg
spressomon
Expedition Leader
jgolden said:
1. 4.10 R&P instead of 4.30 R&P on '98-'02: This along with the 5-speed makes a great 4.88 candidate. Downside is on '00+ you may want to add a rear locker (front ARB should be a given on any 100 that will see off-road use IMO).
2. Yes (except for Slee's Blueberry
)3. OME, Fox, Bilstein are your choices for longer shocks. OME springs and t-bars. You can get about 3-3.5" lift on the rear of a 100 and about 2.75"-3" max lift in front (assuming you install Carl's UCA's and Fox shock to gain droop). I also advise installing a 10-12mm body lift as it is: #1) Cheap; #2): Easy; #3) Eliminates any rear tire rubbing with 35". If you don't run 285 width 35" (Toyo offers their OC AT and MT in 285R75 18" now) you will need to either adjust your turn stops or run wheel spacers up front.
Pskhaat
2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
Is this true? Just because one aspect is no longer used doesn't mean it was a mistake, right?Life_in_4Lo said:
We all have V8s now in the LCs but arguably the straight-6 is a better design; we all have IFS now does that mean a live front axle was a also a mistake from Toyota?
I think there is a large factor of repeatable tooling and process, not necessarily equalling the `best' (subjective) there is to offer.
spressomon said:1. 4.10 R&P instead of 4.30 R&P on '98-'02: This along with the 5-speed makes a great 4.88 candidate. Downside is on '00+ you may want to add a rear locker (front ARB should be a given on any 100 that will see off-road use IMO).
2. Yes (except for Slee's Blueberry
3. OME, Fox, Bilstein are your choices for longer shocks. OME springs and t-bars. You can get about 3-3.5" lift on the rear of a 100 and about 2.75"-3" max lift in front (assuming you install Carl's UCA's and Fox shock to gain droop). I also advise installing a 10-12mm body lift as it is: #1) Cheap; #2): Easy; #3) Eliminates any rear tire rubbing with 35". If you don't run 285 width 35" (Toyo offers their OC AT and MT in 285R75 18" now) you will need to either adjust your turn stops or run wheel spacers up front.
Thanks for the info,
Can you link me to photos of your rig?
Jg
spressomon
Expedition Leader
Sure. Here is a summary: http://forum.ih8mud.com/100-series-cruisers/169441-featured-100-spressomon.html
I've since changed to 285R75 18" tires, added Carl's Upper Control Arms, Slee's upper rear adjustable control arms and his strengthened lower control arms.
I've since changed to 285R75 18" tires, added Carl's Upper Control Arms, Slee's upper rear adjustable control arms and his strengthened lower control arms.