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[R_Lefebvre]

Trolling? Really?

Yes Dan, if you really wanted to contribute, you should have.

 

[Antichrist]

Harry Lewellyn has been around forever, and has been published in several major 4x4 magazines in the states.

Well, the problem, from my perspective, is that people new to recovery would read it and assume that's the way to do it.
Bad habits are hard to unlearn.

 

[Hank]

Yes Dan, if you really wanted to contribute, you should have.

Why, to repeat what someone else already said? The information is already there.

What's funny is when the Jeep vs Rover **** starts. Only a moron would install those god awful hooks - and if installing a Jate Ring in an application where it was designed to fit makes Rover owners "elitist snobs" then so be it. What does that make the folks who use hooks?

 

[Alaska Mike]

Very true. It's very hard for a newcomer to get any true perspective on the internet- just too many unverifiable sources (including me).

I think the suggestion to join a well-established and respected group is a good one. While not 100% foolproof, it's a good way to get hands-on experience with plenty of backup in case things go wrong.

The books and videos out there are another source.

 

[Alaska Mike]

Why, to repete what someone else already said? The information is already there.

What's funny is when the Jeep vs Rover MMMM starts. Only a moron would install those god aweful hooks - and if installing a Jate Ring in an application where it was designed to fit makes Rover owners "elitist snobs" then so be it. What does that make the folks who use hooks? Cheap *******s?

Many of the Land Rover lashing points often used for vehicle recovery are less suitable than a "god awful hook". For a long time those hooks were the only readily available (in the States) extraction points. I'd rather see hooks than be forced to use lashing points to recover a vehicle. Hooks can, and have, been used effectively as recovery points. I think we all agree there are better options- especially if there are factory provisions for them.

Interestingly enough, my ex-wife's 2000 Jeep Wrangler came from the factory with tow hooks installed, but they were removed to install the winch.

What gives some NA Land Rover owners the "elistist snob" tag is their habit of telling others that they're doing it all wrong. They have yet to see there's a wide world of wheeling beyond the green/black oval. I've see every marque out there wheeled by great people and idiots. Ownership does not automatically indicate intelligence or lack thereof.

 

[Alaska Mike]

Excellent idea Thanks for the link. I just ordered two of the forged Jate rings, they come with grade 8 hardware as well, should be here in a few days

What is the best method of attaching the strap to the jate ring? A shackle?

To be honest, I think the best method for attaching a strap to any d-ring is to remove the d-ring and thread it through. Obviously (as has been indicated) this requires the use of tools and probably isn't on your list of top-5 things to do at the beginning of a trail ride.

You can use a shackle to attach your bridle to the JATE rings as a matter of convenience. I'm not crazy about driving around with the bridle hanging down the whole trail ride to snag whatever is in the way. The shackle adds a little more droop. You can zip tie or otherwise secure them up out of the way so they don't get caught.

Here's a thought: Install the JATE rings and buy the required recovery gear to utilize them (straps and clevis hooks). Then pay attention at the start of the trailride. See what others do to prep their vehicles. Ask a couple questions. Is there going to be water crossings or deep mud? Then you might consider installing the bridle in advance. If not, keep it clean and out of the sun until you need it. It may be more of a liability than an asset.

 

[Hank]

Many of the Land Rover lashing points often used for vehicle recovery are less suitable than a "god awful hook".

The same moron who installs a hook for recovery is probably the same moron who would use the factory lashing point for vehicle recovery.

For a long time those hooks were the only readily available (in the States) extraction points. I'd rather see hooks than be forced to use lashing points to recover a vehicle. Hooks can, and have, been used effectively as recovery points. I think we all agree there are better options- especially if there are factory provisions for them.

I'm really not quite sure what you're trying to say here. Are you trying to say that the hook was the only option available in the USA way back in the day? Or, are you trying to say this was the only option for the Land Rover way back in the day?

In either case you want to go with, the hook is still a bad idea. Will it work? Sure it will work - tyeing a rope in a knot around the frame will work, too. What people did 10 years, or 40 years, ago is not necessarily the best idea considering the tools that are available today.

But I'm not sure why this thread has gone on for 5-pages now. It's a simple question that does not take 5-pages to explain. For this guys Land Rover, there is an option available, from Land Rover, that is far superior to a hook.

This is like debating what will work better to loosen a nut; a ratchet and socket, or an adjustable wrench. They'll both work, but what tool would you rather reach for?

Interestingly enough, my ex-wife's 2000 Jeep Wrangler came from the factory with tow hooks installed, but they were removed to install the winch.

Yeah, I've seen those. So cute.

What gives some NA Land Rover owners the "elistist snob" tag is their habit of telling others that they're doing it all wrong. They have yet to see there's a wide world of wheeling beyond the green/black oval. I've see every marque out there wheeled by great people and idiots. Ownership does not automatically indicate intelligence or lack thereof.

I know what you're saying. In every marque out there you're going to have rookies and you're going to have experienced drivers. We'll probably all agree that there is more than one way of doing things. There is even more ways of doing things the wrong way. I've seen, and I sure others have too, some really "interesting" recoveries. I learned a long time ago to just sit back and shut-up. Once someone has tried their way and failed, I'll ask them if I can make a suggestion. This seems to work best and you avoid this so called snobbery.

It's not just Land Rover owners telling people what they're doing is all wrong, and it's not just the Jeep people who install hooks for recovery points.

I don't care how you look at it, the recovery hook on this guys D1 is not the right tool for the job. But like I said, it's funny to see this debate going on. It's not even debatable as to what the better option is. Neither of these two examples are the "best" option, but one is certainly better than the other.

 

[R_Lefebvre]

This is like debating what will work better to loosen a nut; a ratchet and socket, or an adjustable wrench. They'll both work, but what tool would you rather reach for?

When I'm walking around the plant carrying a small tool bag, I carry only an adjustable wrench. I've never used one before in my life until now. I used to hate them. When I started working here (as an industrial engineer) I actually needed to carry around a rudimentary set of tools. I don't want to carry around the weight of a full socket set. A *good* adjustable wrench suits the purpose.

My point is, sometimes you use what makes sense in the situation, despite it not being the best possible option. Different horses for different courses.

Many of the members of this website use their trucks for long distance travel on rough roads. Not hardcore wheeling. They may never in their lives need to do a recovery. If there was an easy option to install a hook, and use it carefully when required, maybe that makes the most sense for them.

I'm not defending the use of hooks. I don't have any on my truck. But, your attitude is not really welcome here. What's the matter, you've been banned everywhere else and you're bored with Dweb again?

 

[Storz]

Many of the members of this website use their trucks for long distance travel on rough roads. Not hardcore wheeling.

That pretty much sums up my use for my truck, and really not even that 'long' of distances really, mostly want it for the beach, forest roads and the occasional trail outings.

 

[Hank]

When I'm walking around the plant carrying a small tool bag, I carry only an adjustable wrench. I've never used one before in my life until now. I used to hate them. When I started working here (as an industrial engineer) I actually needed to carry around a rudimentary set of tools. I don't want to carry around the weight of a full socket set. A *good* adjustable wrench suits the purpose.

My point is, sometimes you use what makes sense in the situation, despite it not being the best possible option. Different horses for different courses.

Many of the members of this website use their trucks for long distance travel on rough roads. Not hardcore wheeling. They may never in their lives need to do a recovery. If there was an easy option to install a hook, and use it carefully when required, maybe that makes the most sense for them.

I'm not defending the use of hooks. I don't have any on my truck. But, your attitude is not really welcome here. What's the matter, you've been banned everywhere else and you're bored with Dweb again?

Man, you've got to be at least 75% French.

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Man, you've got to be at least 75% French.

Close. 25% Irish, 73% French, 2% Indian. But, my family line in North America goes back almost 400 years, so I consider myself 100% Canadian. What does my ancestry have to do with recovery points Chapman?

 

[Hank]

About as much as your tool bag has to do with overland travel.

 

[Alaska Mike]

That's enough. You know better, and if you didn't before, you do now.

 

[jcbrandon]

Thank you, Alaska Mike.

 

[motomech]