JCMatthews
Tour Guide
I think he meant the Tacoma is designed to tow more weight.
Toyota 4.0L Musings
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Plannerman
Wandering Explorer
Yes,what he said
robert
Expedition Leader
I'm guessing Toyota measured the hp at the crank too since my '05 only produces 192hp and 240ft/lbs at the rear wheels (dyno'd on a Mustang dyno- the black truck is mine http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/2nd-gen-tacoma-marketplace/297774-xtp-intake-manifold-spacer-4-0l-7.html#post8070379)
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A good comparison of Tacoma vs. hilux would be a side by side picture of both trucks with the beds off to compare the frames and leaf packs.
Clutch
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Bet Plannerman is right, the rear half of the frame is only difference. [and spring pack] Wonder if they used the same gauge steel otherwise? (guess I could look it up...feeling lazy though)
Martinjmpr
Wiffleball Batter
I would imagine the Hilux probably has a steel bed, doesn't it? That's another difference vs. the Tacoma's composite bed.
Plannerman
Wandering Explorer
Yeah, but I don't think the bed material is a notable limit in cargo carrying capacity. If anything, the lighter composite allows more weight to be carried.
Like said above, comparing the rear frame assemblies would be very interesting. I occasionally see a Mexican registered Hilux at a neighbor's house. Next time I see it I will try to grab pics
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Like said above, comparing the rear frame assemblies would be very interesting. I occasionally see a Mexican registered Hilux at a neighbor's house. Next time I see it I will try to grab pics
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Mrknowitall
Adventurer
OK- The main reason for the Tacoma to continue using the older engine is cost. The dual VVTi engine costs more. All the while Toyota is selling every truck for a very dear sum (lotsa profit margin)
The axle weight rating vs GVWR is from 2 things- springs and brakes. The Factory front springs are very stiff, so (while riding rougher) the front end can carry more weight than the FJ or 4Runner. With the tow package, the rear springs hold up more weight than the SUV rear axles as well. BUT.... there's always a but: The Tacoma has rear drum brakes, while the SUV have disks. All vehicles need to meet certain stopping requirements when loaded to GVW. the lesser braking system on the Tacoma can't stop as heavy a vehicle, thus lower GVW.
The next Hilux and Tacoma are supposed to share more components, including a diesel- an updated 1KD with SCR technology (yay DEF!) That, along with a DI V6 should come with the A760 transmission. Hopefully they'll keep Toyota T-case, instead of the BW unit now found in the Tundra.
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Martinjmpr
Wiffleball Batter
2nd gen Tacos have drum brakes? I didn't realize that. I guess I figured that since the 4runner and FJC have rear discs, they would too.
Plannerman
Wandering Explorer
Thanks Mrknowitall, very helpful. So, if the Tacoma had better breaks (front and/or rear) and improved springs, it would conceptually have a higher GVWR? I'm guessing the rear drums are also a cost-based decision? And what is the BW transfer case?
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Yes. That's the difference from what I was told. Same engine, same output, but the newer ones are rated on regular and not premium fuel.
As for the power difference between a Tacoma, FJ, and 4Runner with the same engines, I was told it is due to different exhaust. Not better or worse, just different. So a 'performance' exhaust could indeed make a few extra ponies, with the trade off being higher noise and harshness.
Plannerman
Wandering Explorer
Are there any reliable methods for increasing the braking capacity of the Tacos? Opinions are all over the place on Tacomaworld
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Clutch
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I put crossed drilled and slotted rotors on mine, huge improvement for not too much coin. Braided lines will help with the feel too, since they don't expand like the stockers.
Could also do a disk brake conversion on the rear.
Tire choice also helps, my Cooper STT's stop better than the BFG AT and MT's did. Stickier tires tend not to last as long though. Getting roughly 40K out of the Coops...BFG's will go 60K+
Plannerman
Wandering Explorer
This is good feedback to hear. Front rotors are one the near term list, as are SS extended brake lines. There are several rear disc conversion kits, but I have found very mixed and limited feedback on effectiveness and function.