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pray4surf

Explorer
Actually this was the only time I ever been in a situation where chains would have actually helped. The snow wasn't powder that you could blow through and wasn't packable either so you could get up top, more like depthhoar, just 30" of ****ty non-packable snow with a bottom to it. Normally we don't have a bottom so chains are pretty much useless to us and I don't think anyone here even owns a set. Useless in MT.

Great trip and I thought the vid came out great, especially for the non 4wd person who doesn't really know much about the activity. It was some cold camping though! Maybe a little too dramatic, but hey its TV and I'll stand up for Sinuhe's death comments, because the crew would always ask "what could happen here? could you die?" and then we had to kind of answer with a rephrase of the question...oh well. Hopefully we get to do another!

dh

Speaking of the film crew, did they ride with you guys - or did they have their own vehicle that was always off camera? Did they have any off-roading experience prior to this trip? What an introduction if not.

I bet the out-takes would be a blast to watch.

Rick
 

sinuhexavier

Explorer
It was their first time doing anything like it, first time in Southern Utah.

They were completely blown away, to say the least.
 

Corey

OverCamping Specialist
I thought it was a good show, watched it when I got home from work yesterday.

I have driven snow covered logging/back country roads like that with sheer drop offs in the snow, and it is pretty nerve racking whether going up or down hill.
Sliding towards the edge is a big pucker factor.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
Maybe a little too dramatic, but hey its TV and I'll stand up for Sinuhe's death comments, because the crew would always ask "what could happen here? could you die?" and then we had to kind of answer with a rephrase of the question...oh well.

Ok, that's the answer to the question I was trying to ask.

I have not seen the episode (I don't get cable TV) so might not understand the "conditions" as the earlier poster stated, but seriously you've never had the situation/opportunity to employ chains? Used correctly (and responsibly) the traction they provide on all four tires is nothing less than night-and-day comparison even with the best tread & compounds.

I've lived in Canada all my life, and I've never used chains either. Don't know where you'd even buy them if you wanted to. They practically don't exist up here. I always get a kick out of hearing how they're required in California to drive the mountains. Though, I could see the potential usefullness if you're snow-wheeling.

For the most part, people just know how to drive in the snow, have proper tires and we have good snow removal crews who keep the roads clear. If we have a crazy snow storm (such as Gravenhurst that got 36" in 2 days), people just stay home until the roads get plowed. Emergency services get around on snowmobiles if required. And people go "off-roading" on snowmobiles, which are vastly more suited than any chained wheels.

In fact, that's a big part of the reason why we don't go "snow wheeling" up here even if we wanted to. The snowmobiles legally own the trails from November to May, and we're not allowed on them.

Besides that winter camping is over rated and it's not very highly rated to begin with...

You'd have been more comfortable if you built quinzhees in the snow. ;) Winter camping in tents does suck.
 
Yeah imagine what I was thinking...early winter...Dec 7th, 30" of fresh snow in front of us and I'm sitting here in the Jeep at 3:00am going 0.003mph...and my new SkiDoo REV 800 is warm and dry sitting in the garage...arghhhh.....

dh
 

Scott Brady

Founder
So what did the crew drive?

How well did they adapt to winter camping?
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They rode along with all of us. The production crew were consummate professionals. When SPEED Channel first contacted me, that was my primary concern. Could the film crew handle real life intense situations (potential) and extreme weather. These guys were the real deal and had no issue. Andy, the on-site producer was a class act and serious adventurer in his own right.
 

Scott Brady

Founder
Due to lower required RPMs?

It was a combination of manual transmission and the VVT with such a rich, available torque band. I cannot tell you how exceptional that motor is. In fact, that 4-door JK is the most capable overall vehicle I have ever driven. 80mph with the cruise set to 7 second 0-60 times to 4+ trails.
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
Due to lower required RPMs?

It's not uncommon for a gasoline engine scenario. When a gas engine is being worked hard, it starts running on a richer part of the map with less spark timing and EGR, because of the high load. A larger engine with more power will be less loaded doing the same job, and operating in a more efficient range.

When very lightly loaded, say cruising at 60mph, both engines would be running at peak efficiency and the smaller engine should win on fuel economy.
 

ChuckB

Expedition Leader
It was a combination of manual transmission and the VVT with such a rich, available torque band. I cannot tell you how exceptional that motor is. In fact, that 4-door JK is the most capable overall vehicle I have ever driven. 80mph with the cruise set to 7 second 0-60 times to 4+ trails.

Scott you just answered on of my questions, it looked like the 4-dr JK was a manual, but it was hard to tell during the show.

Is the D1 also a manual?

I really enjoyed it!!
 

Scott Brady

Founder
Sinuhe's DI is an automatic 1999 SD. His previous truck was a 5-speed. I bet he likes having the auto in LA, but probably misses rowing his own out on the open road and trail.
 

RoverMack

Adventurer
Besides that winter camping is over rated and it's not very highly rated to begin with...

Enjoyed the show,well done and by far the best in the series, (the "exaggerated" made for TV drama is only to be expected and could easily have been much worse.)

My 12yr old finished your sentence "there are two ways to die in the desert...."

After experiencing the questionable allure of snow camping firsthand I can honestly say it must be an acquired masochistic taste. It was cold enough watching:)
 

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